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Cowbee , in Costs Less? When That Happened?
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Just Capitalism Problems

corvett , in How can you tell when USA presidents lie?

What kind of boomer shit is this

GenderNeutralBro , in Costs Less? When That Happened?

Most of Apple’s history, actually.

Macs have a reputation for being expensive because people compare the cheapest Mac to the cheapest PC, or to a custom-built PC. That’s reasonable if the cheapest PC meets your needs or if you’re into building your own PC, but if you compare a similarly-equipped name-brand PC, the numbers shift a LOT.

From the G3-G5 era ('97-2006) through most of the Intel era (2006-2020), if you went to Dell or HP and configured a machine to match Apple’s specs as closely as possible, you’d find the Macs were almost never much more expensive, and often cheaper. I say this as someone who routinely did such comparisons as part of their job. There were some notable exceptions, like most of the Intel MacBook Air models (they ranged from “okay” to “so bad it feels like a personal insult”), but that was never the rule. Even in the early-mid 90s, while Apple’s own hardware was grossly overpriced, you could by Mac clones for much cheaper (clones were licensed third-parties who made Macs, and they were far and away the best value in the pre-G3 PowerPC era).

Macs also historically have a lower total cost of ownership, factoring in lifespan (cheap PCs fail frequently), support costs, etc. One of the most recent and extensive analyses of this I know if comes from IBM. See computerworld.com/…/ibm-mac-users-are-happier-and…

Toward the tail end of the Intel era, let’s say around 2016-2020, Apple put out some real garbage. e.g. butterfly keyboards and the aforementioned craptastic Airs. But historically those are the exceptions, not the rule.

As for the “does more”, well, that’s debatable. Considering this is using Apple’s 90s logo, I think it’s pretty fair. Compare System 7 (released in '91) to Windows 3.1 (released in '92), and there is no contest. Windows was shit. This was generally true up until the 2000s, when the first few versions of OS X were half-baked and Apple was only just exiting its “beleaguered” period, and the mainstream press kept ringing the death knell. Windows lagged behind its competition by at least a few years up until Microsoft successfully killed or sufficiently hampered all that competition. I don’t think you can make an honest argument in favor of Windows compared to any of its contemporaries in the 90s (e.g. Macintosh, OS/2, BeOS) that doesn’t boil down to “we’re used to it” or “we’re locked in”.

The_v ,

Windows did a few vital things that Apple failed miserably on in the 90’s.

Mac dropped support for legacy software and hardware on every new OS in the 90’s. Microsoft maintained backwards capability. It was a major reason windows was more resource intensive and had more bugs. It was a smart move because windows OS was able to handle more software and hardware than Macs. This is the top reason why windows demolished Mac in sales.

Microsoft’s business model allowed greater range of pricepoints. Most users in business or at home do not need the capabilities of the lowest priced Mac model. You don’t need much to check e-mail, browse the web, and do some basic word processing. Apple did not service this largest section of the market at all.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
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Windows benefited by not being tied to the hardware. So if you could slap together a bunch of parts and swap out a few dozen floppies you could get a Windows machine. Which meant there were a ton of companies making Windows machines for cheaper than Apple could make Macs.

Apple tried to allow clones, but ran into the same problem because the clone makers could make cheaper machines by slapping together parts.

the_radness ,

It’s a shame that they won’t just release macOS as a standalone product, even if it requires specific hardware to run. I would pay for it in a heartbeat.

I was actively into the Hackintosh scene in the early 10s. You could have an insanely powerful build (albeit the parts had to be compatible), and it would still be half the price of a lower end Mac Pro.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
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Apple is fundamentally a hardware company that uses features, workflows, and integrations to keep people buying hardware.

They’re never going to do something than undercuts hardware sales ever again.

RickRussell_CA , in Costs Less? When That Happened?
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Well, that button probably dates from the late 80s or early 90s, when Apple was comparing Macs to branded IBM PS/2s and such that were sold to schools and enterprises.

And they weren’t wrong, at the time. Those PS/2s were fuckin’ expensive.

zarathustrad ,

My Apple IIC was the stuff back in the 80s.

It was also the last Apple product I owned.

linkhidalgogato ,

apple was never cheaper than their competition, and when IBM got into PCs they were also not even comparable in quality anymore. Reality is that even in the early days apples was also more expensive and they relied on a dedicated fan base to sell their trash, to be fair they sorta earned their reputation in the super early PC space with actually good products but when IBM came in it had better PCs at lower prices and apple was basically riding on pure brand power. Then they had a few good hits with the ipad and later the iphone (tho the ipad was not as significant at the time as people seem to think it was looking back) and now they have been entirely eclipsed when it comes to phones and are once again reliant on hype and brand recognition.

It is not a unique history by any means but i feel it is especially egregious considering just how shit apple products are and how expensive they are.

pimeys ,

At the same time Windows is going down the drain, so if you compare removed to that it definitely has an edge. And that 8GB Air is not that expensive either… And fanboy can tell you it can swap to SSD so fast blah blah…

But if you have the knowledge to use Linux, there are less and less reasons to go even near removed computers…

foggy , in Costs Less? When That Happened?

Original iPod: Clunky, ugly, not the most storage.

But using jt will remind you of playing with nipples.

oberstoffensichtlich ,
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No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.

samokosik , in Costs Less? When That Happened?
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That aged like milk lol

Cowbee , in In the USA, it is proper etiquette to ask if the person would prefer dying before you call an ambulance
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Dying Empire Things

FQQD , in What would you do?
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I love these damn cross-over memes, they’re the best when you least expect them. This is gold lmao

Surp , in Costs Less? When That Happened?
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It doesn’t even do anything more especially for the price. Just make an AMD rig that blows it outta the water ez.

Zwiebel , in In the USA, it is proper etiquette to ask if the person would prefer dying before you call an ambulance

Meanwhile in Germany you are basically required by law to call the ambulancd

originalucifer , in In the USA, it is proper etiquette to ask if the person would prefer dying before you call an ambulance
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this shit is real

i was in a motorcycle accident and woke up surrounded by medics and ambulance 2 blocks from my house. i told them to get the fuck away from me and had to sign a waiver so i wouldnt get the 2k transport bill.

cracked skull, broken clavicle, 3 broken ribs and rash all over. 12 hours later my wife has me in the ER covered in sanitary pads.

the usa is #1 in medical bankruptcy. insurance companies only profit when human beings suffer.

metaStatic ,

was watching a lot of motorcycle youtube a few years back before I came to my senses (who the fuck wants to share a road with some of the brain doners allowed to operate cars without a car to protect you from them) and one of the guys I watched had an accident and told a passerby to call an Uber instead of an Ambulance.

America is so fucked.

KingJalopy ,

I have given rides to 2 different people to the ER when I drove for Uber. They were having heart attacks. One guy tipped me so I guess he made it after I dropped them off. Not sure about the other.

deegeese , in America is a wild place

Someone trying that hard to demonize immigration status is surely trying to distract from their own crimes.

saigot , in Look at what they took from you

Konami has been in the casino business for about as long as it’s been in the video gaming industry.

Telodzrum OP ,

And?

finickydesert , in America is a wild place
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so they are just aliens? Illegal and criminal cancel each other out.

deegeese ,

BE AFRAID!

finickydesert ,
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OH FUCK! WHERES MY POCKET SAND AND ONIONS?!

DudeImMacGyver , in America is a wild place
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CRIMILLEGALIENS!!1

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