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BetaBlake , in The greatest country in the world

Reddit ass post

Roundcat , in I think its over guys
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I just go back for my splatoon sub to lurk, but considering how awful splatfest has been recently, I think I'm done anyway.

traveler01 , in Abe-sama gives advice

For what I’ve heard japanese spend a lot of time working and their economy isn’t that great. People mostly avoid having children under these conditions for good reasons.

SlopppyEngineer ,

It’s not much better in the rest of the West too. Turns out that building a society where money and career determines your social status and doing unpaid work like taking care of a family and raising children is not valued at all and even very expensive makes people choose to have less or no children.

People of course do want children, but those that do very often will choose one or two children, below replacement rate.

traveler01 ,

Turns out that building a society where money and career determines your social status and doing unpaid work like taking care of a family and raising children is not valued at all and even very expensive makes people choose to have less or no children.

In my country the state taxes the shit out of us while pays for the children of non-working people (there’s a shitload of subsidies going into their pockets), so that doesn’t help at all. What people need is money in their pockets, so having a children doesn’t bankrupt a family.

ICastFist ,
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When you work 8 hours a day, have 1 hour lunch break, waste 2 hours commuting, to earn barely enough of what Adam Smith considers ideal (twice the cost of living), it’s hard to sustain a second person, much less a third that requires near constant monitoring for over 7 years.

From a pure economic perspective, a child is a total money sink for at least 18 years. In many places (mostly urban), it’s simply not viable to have one.

traveler01 ,

So how you propose to raise wages?

Duamerthrax , (edited )

Short term, raise the minimum wage. Force walmart to fill the gaps between what they pay and what their workers need to live. Right now, it’s the government is subsidizing that gap.

traveler01 ,

Why the hell is the government subsidising what a huge mega corp pays?

ICastFist ,
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Because rich assholes need to feel speshul, so they waste money on lobbying to ensure those below them never get anywhere

traveler01 ,

My guess is that, criminalising lobbies would go a long way in the US.

SuperNovaCouchGuy2 ,

My guess is that, destroying the US would go a long way for world peace.

Duamerthrax ,

We kinda need lobbying and it would be very hard to effectively criminalize it. It would just move father into the back rooms. When I say we need it, groups like the EFF, NAACP, FFRF and ACLU all have lobbying arms.

A different idea proposed by Lawrence Lessig would be to remove elected officials from the legislative branch and replace it it something like the Jury Duty system from the court systems. While not perfect, it would be much harder to bribe a constantly rotating group of civilians and most people will vote in their interest even when it’s against their party alignment on a case by case bases.

Lobbyists would become like courtroom lawyers either pushing for or against certain laws in a public settings.

InternetLefty ,

Because the people who own the mega corps own the governments

Duamerthrax ,

Socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor.

The rich can pay lobbyists to pay politicians.

traveler01 , (edited )

Never understood why nobody ever does a BLM-like protest but against lobbyism.

BelieveRevolt , (edited )

The US government already subsidizes companies like Wal-Mart and Amazon because they force their lowest-paid employees to apply for food stamps even though they work.

Asafum ,

Gigantic mothefucking emphasis on short term.

Our piece of shit, bought and paid for politicians LOVE to pull the “we’re fighting to raise the minimum wage from X to Y!” but only over such a long timeline that the value of Y equals what X was… God forbid the Job Creators™©® have to ever actually pay more.

Duamerthrax ,

Agreed, but getting an increase in minimum wage would get the ball rolling on other worker right reforms.

FreeLunch ,

Have you calculated how much money goes to these children of non-working people?

traveler01 ,

In my country, some get a minimum wage from just being at home, plus they get a subsidy for each kid they have.

While the working class gets only a small subsidy for each kid (the higher your income the less you get).

FreeLunch ,

But how high is the rate of unemployment in your country? In Germany it is really low, so it probably costs a working person only a few euros per month to support all children of unemployed persons. Not sure if it is worth it to not help these children as they are already severely disadvantaged. Not to mention it can be seen as an investment in these children.

traveler01 ,

Now much, but people get basically a minimum wage from the state without any effort, so why work at all?

candybrie ,

Incentivizing people to have children is pretty important for a society to continue on. Most societies are based around there being more young people than old people. When you reverse that, you historically don’t have enough people working to keep the country chugging along.

ParsnipWitch ,

You would be surprised how many people actually cost the state money instead of bringing in money via tax in some countries. The problem isn’t the few unemployed people who could potentially work, the problem is that wages between high earners and low earners are out of proportion.

WittyProfileName2 ,
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pays for the children of non-working people (there’s a shitload of subsidies going into their pockets),

Do children deserve to starve because their parents aren’t employed?

traveler01 ,

Do children deserve to starve because their parents aren’t employed?

Because they don’t want to work. There’s enough jobs.

WittyProfileName2 ,
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And the children of these people deserve to starve?

SuperNovaCouchGuy2 ,

people deserve to starve in an age of plenty

this pigbrained subhuman cruelty betrays you as an american citizen, thank god your shithole is in decline lol you should all rot and die there for the good of the world

Asafum ,

Can you maybe not see entire groups as the same?

There are Americans that routinely get sent to jail protesting/fighting to change America for the better every day. There are those of us in this very thread that agree with you calling the other commentor a pigbrained subhuman. The strict adherence to an absolutely shit narrative given to them by Reich Wing Media disgusts a large portion of our population.

It’s not entirely our fault that propaganda is so effective at keeping the absolute worst possible people in office and rotting the brains of our neighbors. The blame rests on the oligarchs and ultra wealthy assholes looking to divide and conquer, turning all of us against each other while they laugh all the way to their 3rd private island…

SuperNovaCouchGuy2 ,

I agree, some of you are alright, it is the elite of america and the very notion of “america” as a nation itself which must ultimately face justice for this situation. I hope you have a good day.

Civility ,

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Civility ,

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pinkdrunkenelephants ,

America falling apart would be horrifyingly destructive for the rest of the world, for it will allow other corrupt capitalist powers that are, let’s be honest, not as humane, take over the rest of the world.

Then again, the destabilization of the U.S. is well under way and our collapse is inevitable so I guess disputing it is a moot point.

SuperNovaCouchGuy2 ,

America falling apart would be horrifyingly destructive for the rest of the world, for it will allow other corrupt capitalist powers that are, let’s be honest, not as humane, take over the rest of the world.

Well technically the continuation of america is more destructive than its inevitable decline, since america has a very awful pattern of killing millions of people for the enrichment of its elite, via means such as invasions, installing genocidal puppet leaders, and corporate extraction. The worst part is that america often destroys countries just as their people are on the brink of greater liberation.

Notable examples include:

Installing the Taliban in Afghanistan to oppose a Socialist government then destroying it

Destroying Iraq for Oil

Helping quash the Protocommunist Taiping Rebellion in China

The current blockade of Cuba

The current blockade of North Korea

The murder of socialist president Salvador Allende in Chile and the installation of Pinochet, a neoliberal dictator

The Contras

Sending $3 billion a year to isntreal for the mass killing of Palestinians

The genocide of first nations peoples on the North American continent itself

Assassinating Fred Hampton and the political killings of the Black Panther Party

Meddling in the affairs of practically every single third world country on Earth

Fucking Monsanto and their land grabbing bullshit

It is also probably the most inhumane of the corrupt capitalist powers as revealed in the details of these genocidal ventures either by using its own weapons or by proxy.

As such, the death of america would enable the possibility of a flourishing of socialist nations without the threat of the worlds most powerful military brought to full bear against their people for daring to pursue life, liberty, and happiness.

pinkdrunkenelephants ,

…Until Russia and China start doing literally the same things if not worse. Russia wouldn’t hesitate to nuke countries that wouldn’t play ball with it, for example.

DoobKIller ,

Russia wouldn’t hesitate to nuke countries that wouldn’t play ball with it

That opinion has no basis in reality, there’s one country that has used nuclear weapons aggressively and it’s isn’t russia

ElHexo ,

Americans and projection, name a better duo.

China has a no first nuclear use policy, and the USSR/Russia used to but dropped it down to threats to territorial integrity.

The United States has refused to adopt a no first use policy and says that it “reserves the right to use” nuclear weapons first in the case of conflict.

Both NATO and a number of its member states have repeatedly rejected calls for adopting a NFU policy, as during the lifetime of the Soviet Union a pre-emptive nuclear strike was commonly argued as a key option to afford NATO a credible nuclear deterrent, compensating for the overwhelming conventional weapon superiority enjoyed by the Soviet Army in Eurasia.

The US has also repeatedly planned for first strikes and escalated tensions: www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/…/376432/

SuperNovaCouchGuy2 ,

Until Russia and China start doing literally the same things if not worse.

Probably not, China is on record, better than the United States in that it does not destabilize burgeoning socialist governments nor engage in one-sided business deals with third world nations to cripple them with debt like how the west does in Africa. Furthermore, they have no historical precedent of engaging in genocidal colonialist ventures in countries halfway around the world from them. If China were top dog they would just be free to expand mutually beneficial international relations at a greater rate then they are doing now without fear of america and its allies nuking them for stepping out of line.

Russia, on the other hand, is truly a failed state that is also in decline. They have a dogshit military that can’t even take a small pissant nation headed by a film star right on its border. It is very unlikely that Russia, in its current form, will be able to reach the same level of economic and military domination that america currently possesses.

Fundamentally, one of the other reasons why China and Russia are unlikely to do the same things is because they are not settler-colonial nations born from genocide. The ideology of Manifest Destiny, invading a militarily inferior nation, slaughtering every single one of the people there, plundering its resources, and settling the land for the sake of “Personal Freedom” (the American Dream), is a unique historical pattern that the very idea of america as a nation is contingent on.

SwampYankee ,

If US hegemony ended today, it would mean immediate war between Saudi Arabia & Iran, China & Japan/South Korea, Russia & the former Soviet states, and probably China & India eventually. The US is far and away the most powerful military in the world, and without the threat of the US military intervening on behalf of its allies, those conflicts are nowhere near as one-sided as they are today.

For example, see what happened as the Ottoman Empire & European colonial empires collapsed at the beginning of the 20th century. Then scale that up from a 2.3 billion global population to 8 billion.

Whatever you want to say about the crimes against humanity committed in the maintenance of US hegemony, I will agree with you, but that doesn’t mean for a second that the alternative is better. Be careful what you wish for and all that.

SuperNovaCouchGuy2 ,

If US hegemony ended today, it would mean immediate war […] The US is far and away the most powerful military in the world, and without the threat of the US military intervening on behalf of its allies, those conflicts are nowhere near as one-sided as they are today. […]

See, the problem here is that all the potential apocalyptic conflicts between american allies and other nations are contingent on the existence of american foreign meddling in the first place. The global conditions of multipolarity between now and WW1 are different. The reason for animosity between america’s allies and their neighbors is that the neocolonial western powers, headed by america, are using these allies as pawns, puppets to further their own interests within these regions against its enemies. It would instead be more accurate to say that if america’s enemies were weaker militarily and economically, america would be able to swoop in and destroy their people via a combination of hard and soft power using its allies as forward operating bases. I am not saying that the enemies of america are perfect nations, however, in the absence of american meddling, they have been shown to pursue more peaceful and mutually beneficial international relations with neutral nations, as opposed to outright warfare and economic genocide, as america does.

As such, if there is no america, then there would be no threat of slaughter for its enemies through its allies, and therefore there would be no more reason for the sort of animosity that could spiral into a nuclear war. The enemies of america, due to their position, are generally intelligent geopolitically, and do not possess the historical legacy of being colonial empires. If america truly fell, then they won’t start wars against a now nonexistent enemy for no good reason.

Whatever you want to say about the crimes against humanity committed in the maintenance of US hegemony, I will agree with you, but that doesn’t mean for a second that the alternative is better.

This is a common argument for a neoliberal status quo: “Well sure we know global regime X is shit and kills millions of people per year, but hey, all these strawman alternatives are bad so in the end, There Is No Alternative.” It’s been overused by conservative politicians to the point that its a slogan: TINA. However, we must realize that there are multiple alternatives, including the building of a better world.

Be careful what you wish for and all that.

Its going to collapse anyways over the next century or so, we do not need to wish for anything.

SwampYankee ,

I can’t say I particularly disagree, however I think you’re overestimating the moral character of states in general. If US hegemony erodes over a “century or so” I think that is a manageable course of events rife with opportunities for building a better world, as you say. If, on the other hand, the US were to suddenly become incapable or unwilling to fill its role as global hegemon, the resulting power vacuum would undoubtedly effect chaos.

I hope for a graceful retreat from imperialism into some sort of international socialist utopia… but history isn’t exactly reassuring.

SuperNovaCouchGuy2 ,

Not really imo, a sudden collapse of america would create chaotic power vacuums but they mostly be internally localized to america and countries completely dominated by america. Countries on the periphery would not immediately jump to fill the power vacuum molded to a white-supremacist settler-colonial hegemon as they do not have the material basis to fill such a role.

Furthermore, such a framing takes for granted that the current world is run by an orderly, functional system made up of countries subservient to a hegemon when in fact, the current situation is quite chaotic, as we live in “interesting times”. It is moreso a complex, multipolar situation made up of blocs with competing interests, and its just that one bloc mainly headed by one country is getting its way. Unfortunately, this country is america, with an agenda fundamentally inseparable with the extraction and genocide of other civilized nations. Other blocs do have their own interests, but it is unlikely they would be as bloodthirsty as america.

Moreover, even if things somehow do lead to war, historically, during the time of chaos highlighted earlier, one of the greatest socialist experiments, the USSR, was born. And for a time, there was hope for a better future in the world.

At the end of the day the preparedness and struggle of socialist movements worldwide will decide what will happen if such a situation occurs.

ElHexo ,

not as humane

It’s really hard to find someone worst? Look at what they did to Libya or are doing to Ukraine

BeamBrain ,
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America falling apart would be horrifyingly destructive for the rest of the world, for it will allow other corrupt capitalist powers that are, let’s be honest, not as humane, take over the rest of the world.

This is what every imperial power says about itself

pinkdrunkenelephants ,

It’s not wrong though

BeamBrain ,
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It’s easy to think the empire is good when you live in the imperial core

pinkdrunkenelephants ,

Also true

Fissionami ,
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other corrupt capitalist powers

Care to elaborate?

pinkdrunkenelephants ,

China, Russia, India

ShimmeringKoi ,
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Damn it’s too bad we won’t have the humane government that did the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment and invented Eugenics

Archlinuxforever ,
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I only had to read this one comment to know that you’re a tankie who probably worships every little thing the Kremlin and the CCP say.

ElHexo ,

Children should starve because their parents don’t want to be abused for $7 an hour, top post mate

amerikkka

traveler01 ,

Why the American flag. How do you know I’m speaking about US?

Get a grip.

ElHexo ,

Because the US is one of the best examples of your desire to see the children of poor and unemployed people starve?

“G-g-g-get a grip, I don’t like my shitty views being challenged and I can’t actually defend them”

Mate if you’re going to post dumb shit you probably should have a better response than that.

I’m assuming you’re not actually very dedicated to the idea of starving children, that’s just something you’ve heard and parroted because your own economic status is precarious

traveler01 ,

because your own economic status is precarious

So you pretty much called me dumb because I’m poor?

And also, that since you don’t agree with my economic views, Im just “brainwashed”? Seriously? That’s your argument? Seriously, go see the world, every country that actually applied your way of thinking ended up having a lot more children starving than the ones who apply my views.

State shouldn’t be taxing workers because some morons who decided to have children when they’re not supposed to don’t want to go work for 7$ a hour. Get a fucking grip and grow up “mate”

ElHexo ,

You’re poor because you’re one or two crippling events away from poverty, you’re dumb because you’re choosing to be.

I’ve been to the US and the level of poverty is horrific. Meanwhile China has lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty.

The idea of “brainwashing” came from returned American POWs who learned that they were getting a shitty deal from American capitalists who profiteered while the soldiers were firebombing Asia, so no, I don’t think you’re brainwashed. I think you’re a classic middle-class westerner attacking the poor because you see yourself as part of the actual wealthy class even if you’re not. You might have to examine why you’re not on $7 an hour, or if you were born unlucky, $2 a day.

Finally we see the true LIB emerge - eugenicist takes on how poor people shouldn’t have children, and then how their children (who didn’t actually consent to be born) should be punished for that

Cool viewpoints child starver

WittyProfileName2 ,
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BeamBrain ,
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Capitalism by its nature has an interest in keeping part of the working class unemployed. Look up “reserve army of labor”.

lolcatnip ,

the children of non-working people

Your wording alone demonstrates exactly what SloppyEngineer said about unpaid work not being valued at all.

ArbitraryValue ,

People of course do want children

Do they? I mean, even if first-world people aren’t as well-off as they could theoretically be, they’re still much better off than people in poor counties (or their own ancestors a hundred years ago). But those people in poor countries and those ancestors have/had a lot more children. Meanwhile people in Sweden have fewer children than people in the USA.

I think that many people in first-world countries do not in fact want children.

(And within a country, poor people have more children than rich people, so actually making more people poor would increase fertility.)

c0mbatbag3l ,
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Sure, and people in the south are popping them out like crazy even though they definitely can’t fucking afford them and need constant welfare support (that they’ll turn around and rail against politically) so it’s clear that things like education are also involved.

If people understood the scarcity of resources and their own earning potential they’d be fucking TERRIFIED of having children. Since they’re all dumbass hicks, they just fuck and don’t think about it. I’m sure Uncle Sam will show up with a other WIC check to help their poor decisions.

Jakeroxs ,

Not to mention most are psuedochristian so they won’t even think about an abortion (not that it’s legal in the south anymore…)

ParsnipWitch ,

I am not sure if it’s really “I don’t want children” or more “I want a career (too)”. In Sweden 76 % of women are employed versus 57 % of women in USA. There are also more women with higher education in Sweden than in the USA.

You have to decide whether you want a career or a child. And when a good career is a viable and achievable option, you decide to have a career instead.

I wanted children, but I wanted to be independent and not poor when I am older, more. I know so many women who are poor and lonely because they did not focus on their jobs. While I am often sad to not have children, I’d never give up my independence and safety cushion just for that biological urge. I know of many women who think the same way.

JillyB ,

I lived and worked in Japan before returning to the US. It’s much worse in Japan. When you leave college, you’re basically employed for life by one company. Your place in society is determined by your work in that company. My company was one of the more progressive ones. Salaried personnel still had to clock in and out to prevent people from working too much overtime. People put in great effort to cheat the time clock and put in more overtime than would be acceptable. People would get to work an hour early and leave at 10pm. There was little effort to make work more efficient because the employees can just work more. The company had an employee discount deal with customer products and employees were pressured into buying their products. It’s much better in America where the common tactic is to switch jobs every few years. America has a long way to go when it comes to work, but saying it’s almost as bad as Japan is just not true.

Duamerthrax ,

It’s crazy how much doesn’t even get done. No one wants to leave before their boss, so they space out their work and give the appearance of being busy.

Malfeasant ,

And that’s unusual how?

Kiosade ,

Well for example, I leave before my boss all the time. Hell I work from home most days if I can.

ShimmeringKoi ,
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If that’s normal, then this defense is a fatal indictment of normal

Malfeasant ,

I’m a very strong advocate for a 20 hour work week…

Tankiedesantski ,

For what I’ve heard japanese spend a lot of time working

According to the OECD, the average Japanese worker works just about the same number of hours per year as the average EU worker. It’s actually pretty surprising because the average Japanese worker seems to work less than workers in countries that most people do not think of as being overworked (e.g. Canada, Spain, Italy).

Of course, averages don’t account for distribution, so there absolutely are workers who are chronically overworked. There’s also more part-time workers in Japan, which kind of explains things. On the other hand, you then have to ask how/why it’s financially feasible for so many people to sustain their livelihoods with only part time work.

Klear , in Berry Club

This is nuts!

Nacktmull ,

Said the strawberry

sirico ,
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Unlike peanuts which are legumes

AndreyAsimow , in Equine facts.
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Poor horses… where is PETA when you need them?

SpaceNoodle ,

Off somewhere killing someone’s beloved pets, probably.

explodicle ,

I imagine it must be a priorities thing. Horses usually get treated pretty well compared to most animals.

Akasazh ,
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At least the French het the PETARD involved.

Bring French for fart.

ponfriend , in Here we go again

It isn’t. It’s planning to make ad blockers use a crippled API like the one Safari has had for years now, but the timeline for that still hasn’t been decided. developer.chrome.com/docs/…/mv2-sunset/

jimmydoreisalefty OP ,

thanks for info!

TimeSquirrel , in I think its over guys
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Wow. Cool. Damn, dude. That's crazy. Jeez.

Rizoid , in Hackerman
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I use Kali a fair bit but even still It’s not a daily driver.

elxeno , in Berry Club

Is banana a berry or is it there just for scale?

somnuz ,

You mean Scaleberry?

FiskFisk33 ,

yup en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berry_(botany)

a berry is a fleshy fruit without a stone (pit) produced from a single flower containing one ovary. Berries so defined include grapes, currants, and tomatoes, as well as cucumbers, eggplants (aubergines) and bananas, but exclude certain fruits that meet the culinary definition of berries, such as strawberries and raspberries.

Comment105 ,

Botany should not have borrowed the word berry.

I am of the opinion that “a small, sweet, edible fruit” is closer to the right definition for the word, and that botanists’ decision to appropriate the word for a redefined purpose was inappropriate and unnecessary.

phar ,

When did this all occur? Was berry a word for things like strawberries before and then it was chosen by botanists to meet another definition?

ophy , (edited )

Linguist here, if I may share my 2¢.

We do know that even over a thousand years ago, speakers of Old English were still calling these kinds of fruits berries, such as strawberries and blackberries (although pronunciation differed somewhat, of course). A word for strawberry as “earth berry” is even reconstructed for the proto Germanic language around 1500 to 2500 years ago. Beyond that, it becomes difficult to trace the word berry any further.

The Botanical sense of the word berry seems to come largely from at earliest the 1500s, from the writings of Caesalpinus, although the definitions were inconsistent and later writings on the matter constantly redefined things and added new terms. Although, largely, these writings all used Latinate terms for their botanical concepts, such as bacca (the closest to the modern botanical berry), and also words like pomum (pome/pomme), drupe, etc. for the other categories of fruit.

So, somewhere since all of that, some English-speaking botanist decided it would be a good idea to use the word berry to describe this concept of a bacca (even though berries had been used for distinctly different things from what that concept described), and now we end up in our current silly predicament where strawberries aren’t berries but pumpkins are.

I’d propose we call botanical berries “bayes” or “bayfruit”, the word bay/baye being an alternate word for berry that ultimately derived from the Latin word bacca, via Old French.

cjsolx ,

Sounds to me like we need a new definition for berry.

abbadon420 , in I think its over guys

It’s been over since they blocked third party apps. I don’t know what you were fighting for, but I wanted to stay on reddit and RIF was reddit, so I fought for RIF. Now that RIF is gone, reddit is gone. There is nothing to fight for. They say “reddit beat down the protest”, but that’s a bullshit interpretation. The core of the protest just left and Reddit beat down the left overs. Sure, Reddit won in the sense that things are quiet again, but they also have a valid competition now, where they had a monopoly before.

RedditWanderer ,

Maybe spez would have turned back during the protests but after 3rd party apps officially disconnected, there was no turning back. Next is karma for sale and verified checkmarks for 8$.

The week after the switch linkedin recruiters started poking me about “interesting opportunities at reddit that aren’t posted publicly yet”. Lmao

SloganLessons , in data secured
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Default save folder is Documents

TWeaK ,

Sometimes it’s the last folder you saved to. Sometimes it’s OneDrive. Word these days really likes to push you to OneDrive or other MS services, it takes effort to save where you want.

SloganLessons ,
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It’s the last folder you saved to if you’re still using the office app after saving the last file, otherwise it will fall back to Documents.

vrighter ,

ok, but which documents folder, and where actually is it?

Because if you have onedrive installed then that does not sync your documents folder. It syncs its own folder that it puts god knows where. And then does its best to have explorer open its folder instead of your documents folder. Which does not always work. So sometimes you get an app that actually opens “c:/users/username/documents” and it’ll be empty

SloganLessons ,
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If you have the option to sync documents folder with onedrive, its the same one.

If you don’t, I’m assuming the autosave with cloud enabled will save it in a different documents folder inside onedrive folder. This onedrive folder is by default in your user folder, but you should have quick access to it in the list of folder on the left of the explorer window, or by double clicking on the onedrive icon in the taskbar.

The only time it can be tricky to locate these files is when the app closes unexpectedly (for whatever reason), and you have to try to locate the .tmp file in the appdata.

Otherwise, the only chance your file is somewhere else is if you edit an existing file or if you save it in another location by mistake. This is easily solved by checking the latest saved files.

It’s not as tricky as you’re trying to make it out to be

vrighter ,

The only way I can get to my actual, local, documents folder is to go directly through my home folder.

and the only way to get to that is through c:/users, because microsoft keep doing their best to hide that a home folder exists.

I’m not speculating. this is what happens on the machine I use daily.

click my documents in the sidebar. then install onedrive and press the same button. it takes you somewhere else. where your files aren’t

SloganLessons ,
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The local documents folder is always by default in the list of pinned folders, the ones I mentioned in the last reply. On the left side of the explorer.

In alternative, you can go to your users folder and create a shortcut in your desktop, or another location of your choice; create a shortcut for each subfolder of your choice in your desktop, or another location of your choice; or pin them in the list mentioned previously. Customize your machine to your personal preference.

I’m also speaking from personal experience, I work with Excel almost daily. Perhaps try to understand how you have your onedrive configured. Or if you don’t use it, just uninstall it and/or don’t use the autosave with cloud feature

vrighter ,

I know it is always there by default, unless you install onedrive. Then that same button gets repurposed and it doesn’t point to your local documents directory anymore. You don’t get two documents shortcuts. like you, I also use my computer daily. that’s nothing special. most people do

SloganLessons ,
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It doesn’t point you to a different folder, it’s the same directory as the local Documents.

What I suggested is that you could create your own shortcuts that fit better your needs, I didn’t say it would create two documents shortcuts. I’m not sure what you are talking about.

And hey, I was trying to give you tips on how things actually work. If you want to be antagonistic, fine, I’ll shut up then 🤐

Have a good one

vrighter ,

It is not. if it were, they’d both contain the same files. they do not. so they’re not.

They’d also have the same directory path. They do not. Going to those two different paths gives you a different set of files.

I just scanned the files in both directories. the files in them are physically on different spots on the filesystem, at the cluster level.

They are not the same directory. I don’t know what to tell you.

flambonkscious ,

C:\users{user}\documents is the windows default

Onedrivechanges it to C:\users{user}\onedrive\documents

I believe this is the ‘known folder move’ feature. I kinda assumed it does the same sort of thing for desktop, did you get bitten in that front, too?

Smoogy ,

Not always.

darcy , in My holy trinity of trust
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keepass > bitwarden

vpn providers should be reviewed regularly

email is inherintly insecure/non-private, self hosted is best

ArcticLynx ,

why do you prefer keepass to bitwarden? has it better privacy or is it just a personal preference because you like the UI more for example?

darcy , (edited )
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keepass is a different paradigm. it uses a locally encrypted file. many frontends for it (use keepassxc and keepassdx). dont have to rely on some 3rd party, even if they say they have e2ee. theres no better privacy (and security) for an app than not using it with the internet. im not too concerned about ui for pw manager personally, the less time i spend w it unlocked the better. only (slight) problem for me: multi device usage (i just copy the file onto my phone occasionally). general rule of thumb: if it can be selfhosted, it is best to.

i think bitwarden is the best one of its type, it comes down to your needs and threat model

ArcticLynx ,

I really like the cross device sync, even tho it’s a security risk of course. also, I don’t know anything about self hosting (might get into it if I git the time), so bitwarden might be the best pw manager for my requirements rn.

radioactiveradio ,

It’s possible to sync keepass using syncthing, i use it that way.

KLISHDFSDF ,
@KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml avatar

not on iOS, at least last I looked into it.

radioactiveradio ,

Well I have both my kidneys. Edit: there’s a fork of it on the app Store called Möbius sync.

darcy ,
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sorry i didnt mention but yeah like the other reply says u can absolutely sync, i just personally prefer not to

Jonsk ,

Idk if anyone else mentioned this but bitwarden can be selfhosted.

darcy ,
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good point!

king_link1 ,

I use syncthing to sync my KeePass file, and I highly recommend it. Very easy to set up

iloverocks ,

Many use syncthing to sync their keepass files I personally just use my nextcloud

radioactiveradio ,

Mainly cuz it doesn’t store your passwords on someone else’s computer.

ErwinLottemann ,

You can selfhost bitwarden, there’s also vaultwarden, an open bitearden api implementation. You could host this on an internal-only server. But you also can sync your single password file with a lot devices and use keepass, I just find that a bit annoying. You also cannot share some passwords with your relatives easily that way.

radioactiveradio ,

Hey it’s fine if you trust them, it’s a very convenient service and from what I found it’s pretty secure, since there’s no way to recover logins if you forget your master pass. But i personally don’t like the idea of having passwords on someone else’s server and I’m too stoopid to set-up my own instance on a docker container server thingy. Syncthing just works for me, got GUI and everything.

ErwinLottemann ,

Totaly valid choice!

Rooki ,
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its more user friendly. Just a file you have to have. You can encrypt that double and tripple on bitwarden nope.

nothendev , in I always wondered what all the knives in my kitchen were for

orphans

ComeHereOrIHookYou , in Here we go again

Meanwhile at Google… Problem: People are flocking away from Chrome Solution: Implement webpage DRM

jimmydoreisalefty OP ,

They keep doing it again and again.

Know they want to implement browser id checks.

vivaldi.com/…/googles-new-dangerous-web-environme…

Kevnyon , in Inflation yaay!
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I believe I got 3.2% this year and 2.8% next year, or in other words, I got completely shafted. Doesn’t even cover food cost going up.

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