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JokeDeity ,

Does anyone create a social media platform without being an absolute nutjob? Tom from Myspace, maybe?

Gullible ,

Don’t quote me on this but I went to school with Tom and, during a dissection, nicked my finger with a scalpel. He quickly lifted my hand and proceeded to suck my finger for the rest of class. It took 3 large men to separate my digit from his mouth and 2 more to fish out my fingertip. I heard they pumped 3 pints of blood from his stomach.

LegionEris ,

Forever <3 CJayC.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

I once looked up a question about an old videogame and Google directed me to GameFAQs, to a comment made by me that answered it.

Which I think is part of their problem, right?

They’re supposed to be a guide site but they became about the forum.

LegionEris ,

Eh, the forum era was pretty great itself. There are many guides and FAQs and resources that wouldn’t exist without the collaborative environment of the forums. They were an important part of the GameFAQs equation. The real problem is that the admin who took over after CJayC stepped down just didn’t have it. He wasn’t as principled as CJayC. He loaded the place up with super obtrusive ads and cared more about the letter of the law than the spirit of the community. Then reddit and the wikia/Fandom ecosystems started to replace the function of the declining GameFAQs. And that’s kind of our current normal, although the flaws in it are becoming more and more apparent.

OneWomanCreamTeam ,

I worked with Tom at a pizza hut in the 90s. Dude would always stick his dick in the pizza oven. I never noticed any crazy behavior from him, though.

Ashyr ,

This is a factor in why I really want kbin/mbin to succeed. I also think it has the potential to be the better platform, but only time will tell.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

I think both kinda suck, so I’m making my own that’s completely distributed instead of federated. That way hosting costs are near zero (just need some P2P nodes and a download server) and scaling to higher user counts should be automatic if I build it right.

The problem is that building it right is hard, and I don’t have a ton of time.

PutangInaMo ,

You got more details? Is it up on github?

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Not yet, but I’ll definitely post something when I get to a point where I’m ready to share the code. I definitely want it to be open source, I just want enough functionality there so the long term vision is clear.

But here’s some details of what I’m trying to achieve:

  • web of trust-based moderation - no “mods,” only metadata from people you trust (upvotes, downvotes, blocks, etc)
  • all storage on devices of users of the service - the more storage you provide, the better your experience; your preferred communities have first priority, but everyone stores something random from the service
  • text posts only, at least to start - images/videos need to be hosted elsewhere

I’m building it initially as a desktop app, but I’ll port it later to mobile and maybe web (still trying to figure out how web would work; maybe some notion of instances?).

I’m hoping to bridge to lemmy with an ActivityPub service to get content, but I’m not working on that until the above is ready.

PutangInaMo ,

Web of trust sounds interesting. What language(s) are you using to build it?

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Rust on backend, React frontend.

PutangInaMo ,

Sounds efficient. Lmk if/ when you make the repo public.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Sure thing. I’ll probably make a post about it once I nail down the functionality and start looking for people to help out with UX and features and whatnot.

ThePinkUnicorn ,

This sounds interesting, but how do you plan on stopping illegal content being stored on users devices? If there is any chance a user could unknowingly be hosting illegal content that could lead to some very big issues.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Still working on that, but I have some ideas:

  • text only - images, videos, and other binary content must be stored elsewhere (could still have links though)
  • data is stored encrypted (user option) - wouldn’t show up in scans
  • clear separation between “stuff I’m interested in” and “random stuff I’m hosting for the network” - plausible deniability
  • perhaps an option to opt out of random data storage - you’d still store stuff you’re interested in

But yeah, that’s a huge part of why I’m unwilling to share the code until I’m comfortable with the moderation engine. I think there’s an opportunity to use that moderation engine to reduce storage of CSAM (i.e. don’t store data from blocked users).

Natanael ,

You mean scuttlebutt? Or something with content addressing like a fork of bluesky?

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Content addressing. I’m using Iroh.

spaduf ,

Wouldn’t a fork be easier? I have high hopes for mbin but I really can’t understand why Lemmy hasn’t been forked yet.

decisivelyhoodnoises ,
@decisivelyhoodnoises@sh.itjust.works avatar

People are advocating about blocking commingles and stuff when one doesn’t like then, and here we are with people obsessed with 2 other people digging all their past comments from years ago and reposting in a community here anything that doesn’t reaches this place because it is either blocked or defederated.

So if anyone has blocked them, not to miss the news smh

goat OP , (edited )

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bloopernova ,
@bloopernova@programming.dev avatar

And yet they never seem to want to move to china or russia.

goat OP ,

No why would they do that

vlad76 ,
@vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

They need a Holiday in Cambodia

BaronVonBort ,

“Gotta say, I’ve noticed how many people are dressed in black around here…”

Gooey0210 ,

Cambodia is awesome, a holiday there would really be a great idea

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Bold of you to assume Lemmygrad isn’t already Russian

goat OP ,

Nah, lemmygrad is 100 percent American.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Just a coincidence they spontaneously parrot all of Putin’s talking points?

Nah, I’m not saying they’re all Russian, but they’re clearly compromised somewhere. A lot of somewheres.

goat OP ,

I totally understand the reasoning behind thinking it’s state actors or certain members being shills–But there’s not much to gain for governments to shill in niche, extremist communities. Why shill your loyal followers when they parrot everything already? Instead, it’s much more effective to use large, mainstream social media websites, like Twitter, Reddit or Facebook, just check out anything politically trending to see the shills and contrast them with these users.

It is true, these small communities do swallow up state propaganda without much thought, but they aren’t shills. Most are just lonely people who hate everything and themselves.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

I think it’s fairly important to remember that Hexbear/Lemmygrad are basically why Lemmy exists, and largely emigrated after the Reddit Chapo ban, at least as far as I understand things.

They weren’t entirely niche communities at first, and now they’re the most active communities on Lemmy, which may or may not grow into something bigger, but most importantly they’ve inherited the damage the used to have.

I mean, have you ever listened to ChapoTrapHouse? They were pretty solidly democratic socialist. Something happened to that community to turn it into Hexbear. It could have been natural, but their messaging is just so consistent it seems unlikely.

Shardikprime ,

They never looked dem soc to me as they advocated liberally for the venezuelan militia to murder venezuelans protesting the socialist dictatorship and parroted Venezuela’s government party line to anyone that cared to listen

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Was never a big fan of the dirtbag left angle, so I’m afraid I’ll have to take your word for it.

intensely_human ,

Guys, this is fascinating as it’s all new to me. But if you’re having this discussion for the public you should be linking specific examples when you can.

I don’t know whether to believe what you’re saying or not.

ArcaneSlime ,

“No, I want to ruin my country!”

mvirts ,

You don’t have to like the artist?

goat OP ,

except they make decisions that affect the entirety of lemmy, such as introducing Hexbear into the fediverse

mvirts ,

Yeah … But that power is only in their hands because the rest of us are complacent, like for me I don’t think I have the time to take over lemmy development :/

librechad ,

What’s Hexbear?

goat OP ,

Another tankie instance

librechad ,

Oh, okay but do the Lemmy devs really have control over who starts an instance? Isn’t this the whole point of the fediverse or do I have it wrong?

goat OP ,

They don’t have control over instances, no. However they can deny tech support or delisting your instance with others across the fediverse.

Gooey0210 ,

Censorship, we need more censorship

goat OP ,

What do you mean?

Gooey0210 ,

More censorship to Lemmy, ban by IP, and defederate any instance that doesn’t only post about politics, and take them to the court

calavera ,

What are you talking about? What specific support hexbear needs?

Honytawk ,

Don’t the Lemmy devs and the Hexbears moderators have overlapping people?

goat OP ,

Nah, that’s lemmygrad

Raffster ,

I wondered the same for kbin.

kirk781 ,

Ah, so I am not the only one suffering from posts from that instance. Hexbear was so bad I had to block that instance from appearing in my feed.

Raffster ,

I wish I could. That does not work on kbin. Wonder why that is.

loutr ,
@loutr@sh.itjust.works avatar

How do you mean? Lemmy is open source, anyone can create an instance, they don’t need the developers permission… And other instances are free to defederate from them.

antik ,
@antik@lemmy.world avatar

How? Hexbear decided to make their fork compatible with Lemmy again and to federate. And as you know plenty of instances defederated with hexbear since.

goat OP ,

The devs helped assist with that.

antik ,
@antik@lemmy.world avatar

I know - but how does that affect any other instance? Doesn’t stop us from defederating.

Anonymousllama ,

Exactly, we’d have no technology if we refused to use things that have been created from less than moral beginnings

Honytawk ,

Indeed. Like a ton of modern medicine is based upon the findings of Nazi scientists torturing Jews and others.

It is bad that it happened, but we wouldn’t be saving so many lives if we denied the information.

goat OP ,

Bad is putting it lightly. It’s an atrocity.

ChairmanMeow ,
@ChairmanMeow@programming.dev avatar

That’s not actually true as far as I know. The Nazi experiments were rarely truly ‘scientific’, instead being poorly documented and often having no or poor controls.

A lot of their ‘research’ ended up being unusable, unreproducible or just plain wrong.

FluffyPotato ,

That’s a common misconception. Nazi scientists were surprisingly incompetent, like they didn’t document shit, no control or even reason for doing what they did. Most of it seemed to exist just to torture people and the results were just useless. Because of how shit they were as scientists they didn’t even learn about torture.

Oh and another shining example was when Nazies got flat earthers in their rocketry department who did not account for the curvature of the earth thus missing every time at long range. Also any evidence that counteracted their science was called Jewish science and discarded.

SkyezOpen ,

Denying? That’s outright praise.

18+ ShitOnABrick ,
@ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world avatar

All that organ harvesting torture and sexual assault of prisoners and human rights violations… uhm hmhm um ashtually you see it was all just a very successful deradiclisation campaign m’lady

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