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conditional_soup ,

Trump is a lot like Reagan in that a lot of his policy choices are time bombs. In forty years, someone’s going to be wondering “Jesus, why is this shit so dysfunctional? Oh, it’s Reagan Trump. Of course it’s Reagan Trump, it’s always Reagan Trump.”

nolannice ,
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Sometimes I think my memory is bad and getting worse, but hey at least I can remember an attempted coup 3.5 years ago

paddirn ,

It would take decades to undo all the damage from Trump’s tenure, some of it may even be irreversible. It’s mind-boggling that anybody who lived through four years of that could want to vote for four more years.

BeefPiano ,

Yeah, I can’t remember anything bad that happened in 2020.

YourPrivatHater ,

Ok but… Let’s be real trump didn’t cause it, he just made it worse.

mozz OP ,
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Infinitely worse. It’s hard to calculate, but there were countries where they literally had single digit covid numbers during the pre vaccine days, just because they gave the situation the gravity and strictness it deserved

I have a family member who’s in the hospital right now, in a part of the country where practically no one including the hospital staff is wearing a mask. It’s hard to even find them in the hospital to put one on. There are rooms clearly marked with mask and droplet precautions on the outside of the door, and the staff will take a mask from a box next to the door, go inside to deal with that person, and then when they’re done they take their mask back off and go back to walking around treating patients with no mask. What do the people in those rooms have? I don’t know but I can confidently say the hospital is fucking up in a fashion that is actively killing some number of patients and that politics are involved in that.

I am constantly worrying whether Trump’s bullshit will wind up adding my family member, individually and personally, to that 1.5 million surplus deaths

YourPrivatHater ,

The countries with single digit numbers (total) where pretty small and had no notable industry to keep running, you should measure on Europe and per 1000 or 100000 people.

And everyone fucked up, it was the first real global pandemic with this intensity. As said, Trump made it worse with his BS but it wasn’t Trump alone, and a big portion was out of his jurisdiction as well. I hate the guy but you don’t need to treat him as evil incarnate, this just makes it worse.

mozz OP ,
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Tell all that to my family member. Once he’s out of the hospital and not in danger of the exact procedures Trump pushed hard for giving him some kind of currently-life-threatening infection, we can rap about jurisdiction and industrial numbers.

Sure, it’s hard to be precise about the outcomes what some theoretical more competent administration might have done differently. But yes, Trump’s measures killed some number of people, and gave some number more disability that lasts to the present day. Thousands? Tens of thousands? Hundreds of thousands? Like I say, once my family isn’t actively directly being endangered by the lasting after effects of his malicious policies, we can have a calm debate about it.

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