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possiblylinux127 ,

Some people these days are actually looking to give up Adobe. You know it has to be bad for them to want to make massive changes to there workflow. I think it has to do with Adobe using your data for AI.

FangedWyvern42 ,
@FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world avatar

VR is literally the only reason my next PC will still have Windows.

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

I only continue to use Windows 11 because dual booting Linux breaks my Windows installation for whatever reason. I’ve been told that putting each OS on its own separate SSD works fine, but it’s hard to do when you’re using a laptop that you’re not sure whether or not it has an extra NVMe slot or even a SATA slot.

Virtual machines are my only fix.

possiblylinux127 ,

Windows 10 and Windows 11 are basically the same

Prove me wrong

drq ,
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@possiblylinux127 Windows 11 is Windows 10 with worse Start menu.

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a1ba ,
@a1ba@suya.place avatar

@drq @possiblylinux127 @cordlessterry Windows 11 and Windows 10 are basically the same

Both are trash

Tlaloc_Temporal ,
@Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca avatar

I need to click twice to get to the 7zip options.

PrinzKasper ,
@PrinzKasper@feddit.org avatar

NanaZip is a fork of 7Zip that integrates nicely with the Win11 context menu

Tlaloc_Temporal ,
@Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca avatar

Ooo, nice fork.

Too bad it doesn’t fix the 17 other context options though. If I’m getting software specifically to circumvent W11, that means I can modify my installation. There’s so much more I’d do than a 7zip fork.

Sadly, most of my windows useage is going to be fleet machines, so even NanaZip is beyond my reach. W11 is still worse than W10.

possiblylinux127 ,

You can change that behavior in the registry

However, you do have a point

Infinitus ,

Have you ever tried installing 50 pc’s with windows 11 vs win10? A night and day difference. To clarify, win 10 is outrageously faster then win 11 where ms wants to have the system updated before you finish the initial setup. Whoever thought that this was a good idea should be fired.

EtherWhack ,
@EtherWhack@lemmy.world avatar

Win11 didn’t even know what to do with my Intel (of all brands) WiFi chip.

Win10, Kubuntu, and mint all detected it without needing to download and transfer the driver with my phone in order to start the updates after install.

Default_Defect ,
@Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

Yet mine was detected immediately and without issue, more anecdotes please.

mrvictory1 ,

One of our controllers (Logitech G710) works OOB on Win10 and Linux but not on Win11, a GitHub guide is needed. Also don’t ask me how Win11 uses 10GiB RAM on fresh boot.

FiniteBanjo ,

TBH Windows is like the only operating system you should NOT play Valorant on. It’s pretty easy to bypass the rootkit and run it on virtual system.

Rayspekt ,

Is Vanguard really hacked already? That would be so funny.

Eyck_of_denesle ,

There’s no “hacked already”. it’s a constantly updated. Anti cheats get bypassed all the time but they get patched in a day or two.

FiniteBanjo ,

It doesnt have to be hacked or cracked or decompiled or any of that.

If you know what it checks for to see if a machine is virtual, you can change a couple settings and it can no longer tell that it doesn’t have Kernal.

yamanii ,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

Tell us them so I can play it on bazzite.

Eyck_of_denesle ,

You are just saying words

Eyck_of_denesle ,

This is a straight up lie. Vanguard is most difficult one to bypass and running it on vm is not difficult but impossible. Where did you even hear about running valorant on anything other than windows?

FiniteBanjo ,

Lmfao

It checks for like 5 flags and you’re in. TBH it’s not even that good at its purpose, just puts users at unnecesary risks.

shalva97 ,

I like that it works

Aurenkin ,

I dream of a world where I don’t have to dual boot.

EherNicht ,

Due to planned virtualisation in Windows this will probably soon be the case for people who Dual boot due to anticheat.

Aurenkin ,

That would be awesome! There’s still the odd game I can’t run unrelated to anti cheat but that would still be a huge win.

Buelldozer ,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

Due to planned virtualisation in Windows

I must have missed something. What are you referencing with this comment?

EherNicht ,

They want to prevent spooky programs running in the kernel (like crowdstrike) which may break the whole system. Source: theverge.com/…/microsoft-windows-changes-crowdstr…

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

please.

EherNicht ,

It seems quite likely actually. The only problem might be them noticing the benefit for GNU/Linux.

Buelldozer ,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

Perhaps I’m being dense but how do you see this helping Linux Gaming?

Even assuming that VBS-E allows Game Devs to shift their current kernel based anti-cheat over to it there’s no guarantee that Linux will get a compatible VBS-E module nor that Game Devs would allow its use.

I guess I see it as: If a Game Dev does this (use VBS-E) AND Linux gets a compatible module AND Game Devs allow its use THEN newer games may not have the same problem with anti-cheat as older ones.

EherNicht , (edited )

The way I understand it is that every anticheat needs to be overhauled as they can no longer tap into the kernel/get kernel access. So the anticheat has to run in userspace. This can also be done under GNU/Linux which is why anticheat should work on both platforms.

Buelldozer ,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

The way I understand it is that every anticheat needs to be overhauled as they can no longer tap into the kernel/get kernel access.

Yes, if we assume that various institutions (cough cough looking at you EU) allow MS to remove kernel access.

So the anticheat has to eun in userspace.

VSB-E isn’t really “user space” but your point about the kernel is valid.

hich is why anticheat should

The word “should” is doing some heavy lifting in that sentence. Even if it COULD that doesn’t mean devs will allow it nor does it mean that existing games will get updated on EITHER platform. Removing a kernel level anti-cheat could easily be the death of some older games on Windows as the owner simply doesn’t want to put the money into making it work.

I’m honestly not too sure how possible it is to make VSB-E work on *nix either, since it appears to use Microsoft Hyper-V technologies at its core and those wouldn’t be available in *nix. That means that we’d be back to Game Devs having to specifically write anti-cheat for *nix…which is something they can already do if they want.

VSB-E is interesting but I’m not convinced its going to do anything for Linux Gaming at all. Hopefully I am wrong. :)

communism ,
@communism@lemmy.ml avatar

Out of curiosity what do you dual boot for? I used to dual boot for gaming but I’ve lately found that proton works very well with my games and there is no need to run Windows for anything

Aurenkin ,

Yeah proton works really well for me for the vast majority of my games but there are a few that don’t. I dual boot solely to play those.

  • Star Citizen - much worse performance for me using Linux.
  • Cyberpunk - Used to work fine but started crashing on Linux for me
  • Counter Strike 2 - Audio cuts out after about 15 - 20 minutes on Linux.
  • Supreme Commander - Frequent crashes on Linux.

I think people can run most of those fine but I haven’t had luck and don’t spend much time tinkering.

skulblaka , (edited )
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Cyberpunk works great on Proton 7. I was playing it last night. It crashes on updated/experimental Proton but by forcing compatibility to Proton 7.0-6 I played for about 4 hours with no issues.

index ,

There are plenty of games that runs on linux just fine

libregaming.org/play-libre-games/

The games you mentioned don’t seem to have anything so special that they are worth trading for your privacy and freedom over.

Aurenkin , (edited )

How dramatic.

EDIT: In the dramatic spirit though.

It’s too late for me, friend. The trap was baited with the frivolous and delightful outputs of an unethical capitalist machine and I was ensnared. I am now doomed to forever carry out a small percentage of my computing tasks in the glass cage of OS lock in and corporate surveillance. It’s not too late for others, though, you can still save yourself. Leave me to my fate, my only solace is that my experience may be a lesson to others.

index ,

Na it’s not to late, just try different games and experience new OS. After a while your thirst for playing specific games simply goes away and you will feel as much comfortable playing games on linux.

yamanii ,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

This is the part where you name the games you like so we trash talk them back.

index ,

Endless sky Mindustry Minetest 0ad Battle for Wesnoth

veng ,

CS2: Try using -sdlaudiodriver pipewire in launch options

anivia ,

I dualboot Linux and hackintosh, mostly for Affinity and Fusion360

FiniteBanjo ,

TBH you could just pick one of them and run the other as a virtual machine.

AdrianTheFrog , (edited )
@AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world avatar

I have a reverb g2 and the only linux projects that support it don’t work with the controllers

Microsoft is going to kill WMR in the next couple years so I’ll probably switch then, luckily it seems like people are working on controller support already so hopefully that’s stable by november 2026

Xylight ,
@Xylight@lemm.ee avatar

i played valorant then tried cs2 and preferred that, and as a benefit it runs on linux

onlinepersona ,

We just have to wait until Windows 12, the cloud OS, and dual boot will be no more. All that’ll be necessary is a browser and a fast internet connection. CoD and Valorant players though… dunno what to do about them. Pro gaming won’t be possible without running windows locally to get the highest framerate.

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palordrolap ,

The only way to prevent dual booting would require a UEFI/BIOS that pulls the OS straight over a network, bypassing local storage entirely.

Even if that didn't already rule it out, the size that OSes are these days makes it even less likely. At least not unless Microsoft (or whoever) are planning to ditch absolutely everyone who doesn't have gigabit internet. (It would be kind of funny for an OS to go back to being 1990s-sized to mitigate that though. And funnier still when someone inevitably captures it onto a hard disk anyway.)

A more likely vector would be to deliberately break third party bootloaders every time Windows boots. And that would last until the next anti-trust / monopoly lawsuit and they'd roll it back to the current behaviour of only breaking third party bootloaders on installation.

And even if somehow that didn't get rolled back, just wait until hardware vendors introduce this thing called a "switch" that can be added just before the power connector on an SSD. Can't boot from a drive that has no power. BIOS defaults to the next SATA channel. And now you're booting into Linux.

Doing the same for a mobo-mounted NVMe drive is harder but not impossible.

onlinepersona ,

Hmmmm, I think you interpreted my comment as microsoft trying to make dual booting impossible? I meant it wouldn’t be necessary anymore, because one would just require linux with a browser to access windows if need be.

The simplest way I can imagine to forcefully disable dualbooting is do what Malus does: control the hardware and only allow one signed OS on there. Don’t trust anything else.

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palordrolap ,

(FWIW the downvote wasn't me)

That sounds like you're suggesting that Microsoft wouldn't care what was installed locally to be able to net-boot / run the rest of Windows.

I think it's all but certain that they'd want user's computers to to boot into something they made, or at the very least, slapped their branding all over, even if that was only a wrapper for their web browser.

I can definitely see them going down the line of saying that their online apps aren't guaranteed to work under any other system, going so far as to throw in a few deliberate stumbling hazards for anything that isn't theirs. (Until anti-trust, etc.)

And thus, dual booting will still be something that people do. Even if - as you clarified - they're not going to cripple that as well.

onlinepersona ,

I think it’s all but certain that they’d want user’s computers to to boot into something they made, or at the very least, slapped their branding all over, even if that was only a wrapper for their web browser.

Oh yeah, absolutely. They might even make Edge send some additional data to verify that it’s the browser being used. They might even add attestation with a binary is pinging Microsoft with messages signed by a microsoft private unique per machine and generated when the user signs in. They could add a paid subscription to limit the number of devices connecting to the cloud instance. For an extra fee they could add connection “from any device or browser”.

Or or or. There are a bunch of things they can do. They could also, as I said, just allow any browser to connect, but looking back, yeah, that’s probably naive.

Who knows and who knows how fast (or slow) governments would react.

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Mango ,

I play BO3 Zombies on Linux, and I do not pay money for that divinium.

Matriks404 ,

Dual boot but only if you have spare disk for Windows, or alternatively run it in virtual machine.

Valmond ,

I have a < 100€ think centre for ps & 3dsmax, my main PC is on Linux.

It feels soo good.

Codilingus , (edited )

I haven’t left because W11 IoT LTSC exists. No AI, no store, options to disable all the telemetry, no bloat. It’s what a Windows system should be and is pleasant to use. Also Tidal music doesn’t have a viable Linux option 😢. Oh and Quest 2 PCVR streaming.

I also have a Bazzite install I hop on pretty frequently, and it’s getting rather close to me switching which one is my daily driver OS. And leaving a Windows Install for Battlefield. Valorant, and VR.

Edit: Also, it would be a huge shame for someone to waste their time looking for the IoT LTSC .iso on a website massgravedotdev.

stom ,

Windows 11 IoT Enterprise 23H2? Or the Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 24H2 Preview?

Codilingus ,

I just checked, I only see an option for W11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2024.

Build 26100.1

stom ,

Thanks. It’s buggy as shit under virtual box sadly

communism ,
@communism@lemmy.ml avatar

Dual booting is still using Windows.

(I’m not saying dual booting is bad, I’m just saying it doesn’t count as not using Windows, which is what most Windows users are opposed to, not to dual-booting with Linux.)

bufalo1973 ,
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You start dual-booting and end up booting always in Linux.

silasmariner ,

Well yeah because booting into Linux is so much faster

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