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nemith ,

I want this but without learning a new functional language to do it.

PerogiBoi ,
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ostree go brrrr

sunoc ,
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Aeon is the way

pimeys ,

Just waiting for one that requires you to compile one Monad to define your whole distro. Types all the way.

Then I’m writing a blog post how your Linux distro is a burrito.

lemmyvore ,

But an immutable distro is not necessarily declarative, and the other way around.

Why lump them together?

F04118F ,

I’m guessing this refers to the not entirely separate groups of Nix(OS), Haskell, XMonad fans

4am ,

Don’t forget us Bluefin/Aurora people either

marcos ,

an immutable distro is not necessarily declarative

It is necessarily so. You can’t configure an immutable distro by a sequence of mutations.

But yes, the other way around is quite possible.

OpenStars ,
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Hehe, but unix shell scripting can do so much…

lemmyvore ,

Immutable was adopted for Android because Google and the Android vendors wanted to lock down the platform, and because they always distribute their OS images and updates as binary blobs.

It offers no benefits to an open ecosystem like Linux, that you can’t already accomplish with existing security measures.

It offers some benefits to distro maintainers who are only willing/able to focus on the core system and delegate the rest of the software to distro-agnostic packages. That’s definitely an interesting niche and I look forward to it. But please note that whether the core is immutable is completely irrelevant in this scenario.

Generally speaking, if you want to use distro-agnostic packages you can do that regardless of whether the system is immutable or not.

And since we’re on the topic, if we’re borrowing things from Android I would love to have the application sandboxing and permissions. I think they’d be a much bigger benefit – to all distros, immutable or not.

zea_64 ,

Immutable partitions are amazing for reliability, then you can just OverlayFS your mutable state on top of it

gabmus ,

Oh I definitely am out of touch, but I think I’ll live with that 😄

Pacmanlives ,

I just treat my systems like cattle not pets. Get out of line and I will kill ya and bring a fresh copy online

zephr_c ,

Look, if you love declarative systems that’s cool. I’m genuinely happy for you that you have much better options now. That can only be good.

That being said, they only solve problems that I don’t have. I do not care even the tiniest amount about whether a system is declarative or not, and I’m definitely not going to go out of my way to seek them out. If you want to call that “out of touch” then so be it.

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