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SpiceDealer ,
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Circa 2015-2016. I was still dual booting Win 10 and Ubuntu at the time. It was a pain in the ass.

vividspecter , (edited )

I first gamed on Linux in a time where Humble Indie Bundles weren’t a thing yet and Wine was still very limited. Console emulators and some older native ports was all that was available. Oh and I walked uphill, both ways.

Ghostbanjo1949 ,

While playing with a long extension cord

Holzkohlen ,

Beta Minecraft accounts for at least half of all my gaming. I’d be just fine without proton.

2xsaiko ,
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Since 2012! PlayOnLinux was the closest thing to Proton then.

olutukko ,

Actuslly wine was closest thing to proton, play on linux was nothing but a front end for managing wine software

spikederailed ,

Wine and Cedega back in the early days, I played WiW in the Vanilla days on Suse Linux. My first foray into Linux was 2002 on a system that was decent for the time. I have fond memories of the first time I got my GeForce 3 card actually doing hardware acceleration. glxgears rendered hundreds of FPS.

WaxedWookie ,

cedega

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d92fb659-85a4-4ba0-8201-adf4ae13c55a.gif

Aganim ,

Yeah, this definitely makes me feel old. 😅

Tebbie ,

I guess I’m behind in times as wouldn’t emulation cause the game to be slower on Linux than on Windows?

I tried switching to Linux when I was a kid, but figured out quickly that my scrap computer could only play my games natively. I’m not sure how it wouldn’t always be slower on Linux unless the game was built for Linux.

recarsion ,

One would think that, but I’ve seen many claims that it actually runs faster. I wouldn’t know personally, I haven’t used Windows in 5 years

Seasm0ke ,

So from my experience, I replaced my 8+ year old omen laptop with an MSI 3 years ago then installed garuda on the omen. Tested some games on each and the performance was similar until graphics were set to ultra just dye to the hardware difference. Before installing linux that laptop performance was struggling, so it really breathed life back into it and made it viable again. Hell my wife uses it to play stardew valley now and I used it to play ffxiv a few times.

Tebbie ,

Maybe it’s a case of less bloat in Linux over Windows?

vividspecter , (edited )

The translation is more like a reimplementation, and sometimes that reimplementation is faster than native. But it’s also because the Linux kernel is faster in some areas, and typically more memory efficient too.

And it’s partly also the quality of GPU drivers, especially in the case of AMD (although they have been getting better on the Windows side in recent years).

labsin ,

It’s not really emulation. It’s running on the same architecture and most of the windows libraries can be used as is with mostly only the win32 library that needs to be wrapped. That already existed for years as wine. It’s mostly graphics and peripherals that are broken.

The most important thing proton added to improve gaming was a DirectX translation layer that translates to Vulcan and also loads of fixes and additions to wine.

Not a lot of games run faster but apparently in some situations, the Vulcan precompiled shaders seem to run better than native windows, although that probably means they could make their native version better as well. For older games, the Vulcan translation layer is a lot more efficient and faster than native. Also CPU and IO heavy games might run faster on the Linux kernel.

casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer ,

deep inhale

WINE IS NOT AN EMULATOR

It is a translation layer. All it’s doing is intercepting syscalls embedded in the executable process by presenting what looks like an interface for the kernel it is trying to call, but is actually a translation layer to the true host kernel, mapping the Windows syscalls to their near-equivalent for the Linux kernel. This differs from emulation as the calls are being translated at a higher level whereas emulators translate the low level machine code sent to the processor.

So Proton and Wine essentially just pretend to be the core Windows processes and services a Windows environment provides to applications. It’s a Windows interface to a Linux kernel on the backend. And virtually every syscall on Linux will always be faster than on Windows/NT. So you get faster syscall responses with a neglible and wholly insubstantial added overhead that I would reckon is hard to quantify because it is in fact so damn small that the only way I can think of to observe it is to attach a debugger, which slows down the application process notably so that human’s can peer into the execution stack.

TL;DR: no, Windows applications have theoretically been faster on Linux than they ever were on Windows since Wine’s inception.

casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer ,

really did not expect today to be my turn to recite the infamous WINE homily. Whoever sends out the t-shirts, I’m a men’s x large, hopefully there are still some of that size unclaimed

Tebbie ,

Thanks for the information, no need for the deep inhale lol.

Jayjader ,

In case you’re unaware, the “deep inhale” is because that phrasing is historically tied to the WINE project, as per their website (winehq.org):

Wine (originally an acronym for “Wine Is Not an Emulator”)

And at this point it’s like a 10-year old meme (if not 20) to bring it up when someone may seem unaware of the distinction between emulation and what Wine does.

It is a bit tired of a reference, and I imagine somewhat off-putting of a response to receive when you don’t know the reference yourself. The acronym is in the spirit of the GNU one (“GNU’s Not Unix”), and as the other commenters have explained the fact that wine does something different than emulation is very relevant when you get into the nitty-gritty details, so it has extra sticking power in terms of memes in linux/foss communities.

casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer ,

This exactly. I’d had a long day and never before had the opportunity to be first in a thread to reply with “Wine Is Not an Emulator”, so I got over-excited and typed that all out so I could get that sweet dopamine rush.

WaxedWookie ,

I think you mean:

Wine is not an emulator ^is ^not ^an ^emulator ^^is ^^not ^^an ^^emulator ^^^is ^^^not ^^^an ^^^emulator ^^^^is ^^^^not ^^^^an ^^^^emulator ^^^^^is ^^^^^not ^^^^^an ^^^^^emulator ^^^^^^…

BCsven ,

Others replied about WINE translation layer, but once binary is loaded in memory the kernel juat runs the code it does not care that it is linux or windows code, because to the systembit is chip instructions. It is why LinuxOS was fully able to run DOS way back when

Laser ,

Unreal Tournament 2k4 on one of the earlier Ubuntus, back when ShipIt was still a thing. Most have been around 2005 or 2006, as I used it in my mom’s flat which I moved out of in 2006.

I also played some games on an old version of Suse Linux back in 2001 or so? Maybe earlier? There was this game where you had to manage public transport in a city. Looked for that game recently but nothing came up. Also Kartoffelknülch back then. I tried to get some distributions running (like Mandrake) but only Suse somewhat worked. Being 14 and English not being your mother tongue doesn’t help with documentation when nobody in your family knows stuff about computers.

llii ,

It’s not OpenTTD maybe?

Laser , (edited )

Definitely not

The fact that I can’t seem to find traces of this game online makes me think that maybe my memory is wrong? But also hard to find information from back when the internet wasn’t flooded with stuff

EpicVision ,

I remember playing Minecraft on Ubuntu 14.04, does that count?

Waffelson OP ,

yes, it does

Minecraft is the first game I played on Linux

Marty_TF ,

minecraft and team fortress 2 for 3 years.

end of list.

Grass ,

Back when you had to install steam in wine and then for a while you would have native steam and wine steam in the same distro install. Now it’s so easy that I figure anyone talking shit about gaming on Linux only plays those rootkit anticheat shooters or hasn’t played games since having kids or something and have become one of those people that are shocked to hear what they thought were current gen consoles are actually really old already.

JustARegularNerd ,

I actually found an old /home drive of mine this week where I had exactly this setup, so painful.

Grass ,

Trying to find the correct steamapps folder for the particular instance of the game and going through all the dot folders and wine folder structure… that hasn’t actually improved much now that I think about it.

Gaming on Linux in general has improved a lot more than the pollution levels in my town at least.

brotundspiele ,

What about xbill? Why is noone mentioning it?

AnUnusualRelic ,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

Bunch of kids, the whole lot of them!

marzhall ,

My eve online circa 2008-10 was on Linux, as well as other not-entirely well remembered attempts dating back to around 2005, when I was more interested in spinny cube desktop. Fglrx and I were well acquainted, but not quite friends.

Jonnsy ,

I played WoW Cataclysm around 2011 with wine. It worked but thats it.

Trail ,

I can relate. I was playing whatever the first expansion was. Karazhan or something. 2007? 2008?

First kubuntu, then opensuse, then arch BTW.

na_th_an ,

I used to play StarCraft II in Wine back in like 2010.

dtrain ,

I read this and was like “pffft….starcraft 2 didn’t come out in 2010 , it was waaaay later”

Then I checked and was like “Well fuck me”

Swarfega ,

I ran a half-life dedicated server on Linux for years!

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