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I'm relatively unfamiliar with Linux. I'm getting a ThinkPad T460 and want to install Mint on it. Is there anything about the T460 I should know?

It’s probably been 15 years since I’ve used Linux and Mint seems to be the recommended distro for people who aren’t all that familiar with Linux like me, but I didn’t know if there was anything I should know with this ThinkPad model that anyone is familiar with. My searching around shows people saying everything from it was painless to install to they had tons of issues and I have no idea how common either one is.

So any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!

qprimed ,

congrats on your foray into linuxland. its possibly one of the better decisions you can make for yourself. mint is a great way to start because its reasonably well polished and the UI is familiar. issues usually arise from extremely old (and likely broken) hardware or from bleeding edge hardware that does not yet have support.

as others have said, things are likely to work pretty well right from the get-go, but, in the event of an issue, you have support! :-)

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks!

jamyang ,

I have a question and I don’t know if this is the right place to ask.

I have a windows pc where I download movies and other media which I watch from my mobile using network.

I am thinking of buying a refurb laptop to use when I am not using it for CAD/CAE works. My question is this : If I were to install a linux distro, can I view the media on my laptop as well? Like how I watch on my mobile?@

seathru ,
@seathru@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Yeah. Plex will do exactly what it sounds like you are wanting to do.

jamyang ,

I know plex and I have used it for an year. But I access files on my computer using my mobile without any app. Is that possible with linux?

Swaziboy ,

Yes you can access Windows shares directly and play the media from there with no issues. I do it all the time.

intelisense ,

Thinkpads are great for running Linux, but one thing I’ve noticed is thinkfan is not installed by any distro I’ve tried. You definitely want that, or your laptop’s fan isn’t going to work - that will lead to performance issues or potentially damage your laptop

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Thank you, that is vital!

signofzeta ,

My T470 worked just fine without thinkfan installed. Is that just something model-specific?

intelisense ,

It’ll work, but the fan won’t speed up when the CPU is hot.

Diplomjodler ,

I have a T480 with Mint and everything worked with zero hassle. Just installed it and started working.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Awesome, just what I wanted to hear. Thank you!

rufus ,

I’d say it probably works out of the box.

I usually have a look at thinkwiki and the arch wiki. Since they don’t have dedicated guides for this model, it usually means it’s not supported at all and no one even tried, or it’s a smooth ride and there just are no issues. Since it’s not a niche product, I’d say it’s the latter. And it’s an older model without extravagant hardware… it should work fine.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Great to hear, thanks!

rufus ,

I read the other good advice with the firmware (UEFI) update. If there’s still Windows on it, maybe run Lenovo Vantage and let it update the firmware.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Windows 10 is on it. I’ll do that first, thanks!

qprimed ,

lenovo is also one of the companies that provides packaged firmware updates to the linux fwupd project, so you should be able to maintain firmware updatesfrom linux in the future.

mrshy ,

Oh that’s a nice project for them to participate in!

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That is great to hear.

CorrodedCranium ,
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

Since they don’t have dedicated guides for this model, it usually means it’s not supported at all and no one even tried, or it’s a smooth ride and there just are no issues.

I feel like if someone went through hell trying to install Linux on some obscure hardware there would be something online. I think the safe bet a majority of the time that it just hasn’t been documented yet.

rufus ,

Hmm, I mean there is also publication bias. You’re more likely to edit a Wiki page if you found a solution… But you’re also likely to rant and ask for questions if it’s really bad… There is a bit in the middle where it doesn’t work that well. What I find super annoying if I find my question already posted 2 years ago and there isn’t a solution posted underneath. That means someone either got it working and didn’t update their post… or they moved on and it’s impossible. But you’re right, this really mostly happens to obscure and niche problems. Not if it’s a ThinkPad or Dell laptop midel that has already sold millions of times. But somewhat likely if it’s a newer high-end gaming mainboard or niche server that isn’t common amongst the Linux-folks.

Rinn ,

I have a T450, I’m dual booting Windows 10 and Ubuntu (…I know, I know, I’m just too lazy to swap) on it and it works great, I get better performance on Ubuntu than I do on Windows. The fans worked oob.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks. Good to hear! I’m glad the other person mentioned the fans just in case though.

Grimpen ,

I’m with you.

I sort of petered out distro-hoping 10-ish years ago, I’ve just used boring old Ubuntu LTS ever since. All the Unity/Gnome/KDE, Snap/Flatpak and systemd stuff I’ve successfully ignored.

I have no doubt that there are “better” distros out there, but Ubuntu works.

redcalcium ,

Don’t be afraid to distro hop. If Mint doesn’t feel right for you, then try another distro. Also try different desktop environments if you can. Mint uses Cinnamon, but there are also kde plasma, gnome, xfce and many others to try. Who knows, maybe you like one of them more.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Much appreciated. I will definitely not give up if I don’t like Mint. But since it seems to be a good intro distro, it seems like a good way to start.

SidewaysHighways ,

I ended up on mint myself, and am happy enough with it but definitely want to get into Wayland so I can use waydroid. I haven’t started digging too deeply yet so apologies if I could find this out in a moment of searching. But kde plasma can install on mint? Anyone know how well it works?

redcalcium ,

You should be able to install multiple desktop environments and select which one to use on the login screen. It’s pretty straightforward and there are many tutorial on how to do that such as this one: linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-kde-plasma-on-lin…

BaalInvoker ,

You’ll probably fine

Go ahead and be happy

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks. I hope so, but since there were people who seemed to have some issues when I was searching around (someone was claiming there was a brightness issue they couldn’t solve, for example), I just want to make sure there isn’t anything specific for the T460- or that line in general- that I need to make sure is configured in some unusual way.

____ ,

Yes - you’ll be well-served by the ThinkPad line in general. My first permanently dedicated Linux machine was a T430 and true to form things largely “just worked.”

That was enough years ago that I might well have needed to seed the network drivers on the usb key, and that was the worst of it.

They’re tanks, and the hw is generally easy and fairly intuitive to swap out the usual memory and HDD.

IIRC my first distro on that was Debian, had plenty of docs about the intersection of the distro and ThinkPad line.

Mint should be perfectly fine given that.

I will say that I try not to do fresh installs on unfamiliar hardware w/o some other available form of connectivity, my phone mostly is quite sufficient for the purpose. It’s just easier not to risk putting myself in a difficult position in the first place.

You’re in for some fun.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Awesome, thanks!

pmk ,

Does it have dual batteries? My t470s does a hard shutdown instead of switching battery source when the first battery is empty sometimes. It’s an old bug and I think the consensus is that no one is really sure why.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, it does have two batteries. That kind of sucks. But I don’t need all-day battery life, so hopefully that won’t be a huge issue.

pmk ,

Hopefully you won’t get bitten by this bug. It seems like a combination of Lenovo firmware, upower, and the DE.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I hope not, but if it is an issue, it doesn’t sound like it will be a huge one most of the time at least.

Certainity45 ,

Is your internal battery dead? I’ve never seen such problems with dual battery Thinkpads.

pmk ,

No, both work, it’s the switching over that often does a hard shutdown.
gitlab.freedesktop.org/upower/upower/-/issues/62
I’m using the latest Lenovo firmware and have the same issue in any Linux version I’ve tried. Bad luck I guess, but I’m out of ideas.

GlenTheFrog ,
@GlenTheFrog@lemmy.ml avatar

I can’t speak for the T460, but I have a T480 with dual batteries and battery swapping works just fine. With a bit of tinkering I was even able to get the fingerprint sensor to work as well

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Much like my searching, it seems like it’s all over the map in terms of experiences, although in general, it seems like the issues people have encountered are minor.

Rand0mA ,

Fwiw I never had a problem hotswapping batteries out

Head ,

I run mint on a T460s and it works like a charm.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Great, thanks!

Xirup ,
@Xirup@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

IMHO there’s no other way to know that something works that trying it by yourself. I honestly don’t believe that there’s some kind of specific problem with that model that will not let you use Linux on it, maybe some kind of BIOS/UEFI lock but that’s usually easy to unlock.

Maybe if you really want to be sure that it works, you can try using Mint from Live Mode (Booting directly from the pendrive without installing the OS) before purchasing it.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It’s less a ‘won’t run Linux’ and more ‘configure it this way or you’ll have problems’ worry, but it sounds like it should be okay from what others have said.

Twig ,
@Twig@sopuli.xyz avatar

I’d imagine it would work fine. You can always try Mint out from the LiveUSB and see if any issues occur.

The installer’s defaults should be enough to get it done without any hassle.

Shareni ,

ThinkPads generally have great Linux support because they’re really popular in the community.

One thing though, forget about the fingerprint reader. You can get it to work with some effort, but it’s essentially useless because it’s not integrated like on win/mac.

Mint is a good choice for beginners (IMO MX > Mint). Just remember to use flatpaks for software you want to keep up to date. Also, if you end up disliking cinnamon, it’s probably better to switch distros.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That’s fine about the fingerprint reader. I’m not too concerned about that.

Please excuse my ignorance as I’ve not used Linux in a very, very long time… what is a flatpak?

TheCMK ,

Here’s a pretty good video about the different packaging formats on linux: <a href="">https://piped.video/watch?v=ikBPnYwnUMU</a>

What I wish I knew when i first installed a flatpak is that they, by default, do not have access to all the files in your file system. You can change their permissions with an app called flatseal (it should be available in the mint software app). Even then, I would avoid using them for things that need access to system files and libraries, such as IDEs.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I’ll give it a view. Thanks!

mrshy ,

You may need to update the UEFI firmware.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks, that was the sort of advice I was wanting to make sure I got before I installed Mint. I assume you mean update it via Lenovo and not from a third party… or if from a third party, if you can tell me where, that would be great!

mrshy ,

It would be from Lenovo.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Awesome, thanks!

Rand0mA , (edited )

I use a T460 as my daily in the living room.

Mine has an internal battery as well as a removable, large removable is a beast, literally lasts me all day and this machine is like 2017 or so. Backlit.keyboard. not sure they all have it but mine has a sim card slot and wan card built.l in. So internet is easy on a data only sim without tethering. Those wan cards are cheap too if it doesn’t come with.

BIOS has TPM and all that so its easy to secure. Also handles virtual machines well (supports vtx, vtd, Intel text, or and iommu - hyperthreading etc). Typically lenovos T series always have these. I expect most people having issues probably don’t set the BIOS options correctly. Efi supported as expected. Passes all the requirements for w11 if thats your jam. The machine is solid.

I run fedora 39 with sway/hyprland/KDE options. Installed from ‘fedora anything’ image was a breeze via usb. saying that, the only real hindrance these days is lack of usb3.0. So installing from USB is alright the once, but use network for transfers instead of usb sticks if you can.

Resuming from standby isn’t an issue on fedora or arch but it was on debian. If you have any issues, you can send me a PM. The resume from standby issue on Debian was the only thing I never solved reliably.

Oh has ddr3, but those sticks are cheap so you can throw in dual 8gb sodimms for less than 50quid/Euros. I’m sure it’ll take 32gb (dual 16gbs) but I haven’t bothered. I’m running 1600mhz sticks, but it should support up to 2133mhz sticks… have a 1tB ssd slotted in for under 100.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Awesome, thanks for the info. I’m cool with the RAM it has. It’s not going to be doing anything intensive.

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