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Raphael , in immutable + reproducible packages - learning curve = ?
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Only Silverblue but sadly it’s Fedora which is owned by Red Hat.

I was on Silverblue but I’m on Debian now with the same workflow, minimal kde-plasma-packages install with everything as flatpaks.

flubba86 , in Is there anyone who use Void Linux as daily driver?

I’m in the same boat. For a long time I was a RHEL admin at work, and ran Ubuntu at home. Three years ago my workplace switched to Ubuntu servers, and at home I switched to Manjaro. Now I’m sick of Manjaro, and want to move to something else for home use. I’ve been looking at NixOS and Void, both seem pretty cool in their own way.

Are there community packages like the arch repos? I’ve come to rely on those in Manjaro, like I rely on 3rd party PPAs in Ubuntu.

Mereo ,

I’m curious, why are you sick of Manjaro? I’ve been use it for 2 years and it’s been smooth sailing. Genuinely just curious.

flubba86 ,

No reason, really. I’m not part of the “hate on Manjaro” club.

I got started with Manjaro because I was looking for an Arch-like experience, but with better distro management, curated packages, etc. I’ve had some of my best PC gaming experiences on Manjaro with Luttis and Proton, it is a great Linux gaming distro.The distro managers have definitely let me down more than once, most notably when they wouldn’t ship KDE Plasma 5.25 when it was released citing “stability concerns”, and then doing the same thing with Plasma 5.27. But those issues are behind us, and didn’t affect me too badly (I just needed to wait 6 weeks until the next release to get my updates). I’ve come to realise through my use of Manjaro that I actually always want to use it like Arch. Often things I want to install are not available in the Manjaro repos, but are available on AUR. Then installing from AUR sometimes depends on things that are not in Manjaro repos. It gets messy, and I should just use Arch.

But rather than moving to Arch, I think I am itching to move to something completely different, and NixOS and Void are about as different as it gets.

lukas , in AlmaLinux No Longer Aims For 1:1 Compatibility With RHEL
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What’s the point of AlmaLinux if not for 1:1 RHEL compatibility? Might as well use CoreOS Stream cause the compatibility is good enough. Time to switch to Rocky Linux I guess.

baronvonj ,
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Good for Alma, I say. Why base your business model on RedHat not finding a way to kill it? RedHat is a de facto enterprise standard in part because of the existence of free source-rebuild distributions allowing for small FOSS developers to ensure compatibility. They said so themselves, they want users to either switch to another distribution or pay for RedHat. So let’s give them what they want and abandon RHEL compatibility.

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  • baronvonj ,
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    I don’t think that “let’s all abandon RHEL so it becomes irrelevant” is the appropriate response here. It’s a matter of freedom and principles. If RHEL exists, a compatible, free and unencumbered alternative should be allowed to exist as well.

    RedHat thinks they shouldn’t exist, and is trying to maneuver within legal limits to ensure they don’t exist. It’s not that I agree with RedHat that the compatible clones shouldn’t exist. It’s that I think RedHat’s actions are duplicitous enough that we should no longer see RHEL compatibility as a goal to care about. Much the same way Google has taken actions to distance itself from a dependence on Java after Oracle went all APIs-are-patentable rampage. Why engage with an entity who has a stated goal of ending your existence?

    Also, Alma doesn’t have a business model in the same way that Debian doesn’t have a business model. The Alma Linux OS Foundation is a non-profit organization.

    I knew there was a foundation behind Alma but hadn’t looked into them too much, as I was already thinking of continuing to target RHEL compatibility may have poor business continuity after they killed CentOS as a free RHEL clone.

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  • baronvonj ,
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    That depends on which “we” you talk about. Personally, yes, I have moved everything that I had away from RHEL-derivatives towards Debian after the CentOS debacle 2 years ago, and I would recommend anyone else to do the same.

    So we’re in “violent” agreement.

    it’s also a matter of principle: “we”, as in the community as a whole, can’t let this stand.

    Right. We just have a difference of opinion on how to stand against RedHat’s actions here.

    moon_matter ,
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    Won't Rocky have the same issue as Alma? RedHat has made RHEL closed source, so how can they maintain compatibility?

    I suspect Rocky and other source rebuilds just haven't made the announcement yet. Alma was merely the first to make an official statement.

    Raphael ,
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    RedHat has made RHEL closed source,

    You’ve said the words, corpo-apologists will start haunting you now, good luck fending them off.

    baronvonj ,
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    Rocky has announced their plan to continue as a 1:1 source rebuild. They’re looking at using sources from RedHat’s Universal Base Image Docker images, and also using cloud instances with consumption based pricing. With the latter option you spin up an instance on AWS/Azure/DigitalOcean/etc and it has a license for that instance, so you get the sources for the package versions on that instance. But since the license was temporary, then there’s nothing for RHEL to terminate when you redistribute the sources.

    RedHat says they don’t want clones of RHEL. I say give it to them, lets have a landscape where they’re no longer the de facto standard because there are no other distributions targeting RHEL compatibility.

    angrymouse , in What developments in the Linux world are you looking forward to the most?

    Personally, I’m looking forward to native Wayland support for Wine and KDE’s port to Qt 6.

    Well, I think a lot of us are in the same boat.

    Also, the flatpak development (Im not included in this but a lot of ppl is)

    fugepe ,

    There is more big improvement development for flatpaks?

    angrymouse ,

    For me the console API is just horrible. Also idk if it is a packaging problem but a lot of things I tried in the past were a lot bugier than my distro package

    Bookmeat , in What is you backup tool of choice?

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    I do this as well. Easy and inexpensive.

    AnxiousWorker , in Does anyone actually like the default GNOME workflow?

    I love GNOME more than any other DE. I like how it works very well with keyboard shortcuts. The only extensions I use are the weather and the tray icons.

    bahmanm , in immutable + reproducible packages - learning curve = ?
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    Could openSUSE MicroOS check the boxes for you?

    visnudeva ,
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    I discovered it and installed it yesterday, I really like it, no bloat, no useless preinstalled apps, a pure and clean distro.

    Secunergy ,
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    @bahmanm @usb_see Is openSUSE MicroOS out of beta and ready for productive use? Haven’t read any news about it lately (I am on openSUSE Leap, so interested)

    bahmanm ,
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    I’m not using it myself as am on Tumbelweed but I do know it’s quite similar to the idea OP is talking about. Oh and I couldn’t find any references to it being beta on the website 🤷‍♂️

    atomkarinca , in Void Linux

    been using it for almost a year now.

    it’s been 18 years full time linux/bsd for me and it went knoppix -> ubuntu -> fedora -> arch linux -> gentoo -> freebsd -> void

    arch linux in 2008 was really good, and lasted for a couple of years. gentoo was a chore, because it’s fully source based. freebsd is rock solid, amazing amazing system, i would be still using it if it weren’t for aec applications and games. still using it on my homeserver.

    void is blazing fast, highly reliable rolling release package system, amazingly simple init system. i have a 3060ti and it’s working surprisingly good on wayland. it’s just hassle-free for me, i love it.

    black_dinamo ,

    Did you used FreeBSD with wi-fi? Any issues with It? Any other consideration about It?

    atomkarinca ,

    yeah, with wi-fi. i didn’t have any issues using wifi. like i said earlier, some applications don’t have freebsd versions and manually compiling and keeping them update is a lot of hassle. other than that highly reliable system.

    black_dinamo ,

    Nice I’m eagerly to try OpenBSD and maybe FreeBSD sometime.

    tio , in What is you backup tool of choice?

    @dustyData I have hundreds of thousands of files that need to be backed up locally and in the cloud. I use either Vorta or Pika. Both are interfaces for Borg. Easy to use and their deduplication feature manages to save a lot of diskspace. I tried so many backup solutions and none worked as reliably.

    tio , in Does anyone actually like the default GNOME workflow?

    @shapis I agree. I used Gnome for several years before switching to XFCE. Gnome feels like a great DE for people who do not do a lot of things on their computers. I normally have 5 or so workspaces and on each a dozen of apps open. Some apps are workspace-specific, some are available on all workspaces. You are right, multitasking when you do so much is a pain in Gnome. And I really really tried to like it.

    Not to mention that you need a lot of extensions to make it useful.

    Gnome does great in terms of animations and overall look, but not very practical and feels very non-customizable.

    XFCE looks awful out of the box and the lack of animations is quite annoying. But you can make it look good - see our custom distro based on XFCE - TROMjaro. And if you give XFCE a try you will realize how sane it is. You can customize it a ton without being overwhelmed by thousands of options. You right click on panels and apps and you get sane options to move or tweak them.

    As for workspaces I personally use them as "names" on the top bar and can switch between workspaces so fast, almost like tabs in a browser.

    Not as fancy as Gnome, but boy this is really useful. And practical.

    I've also added mouse gestures on my desktop via Easystroke so I can move windows on any workspace via these gestures. So easy.

    So I'd say that Gnome looks fancy, and it is very cool for those who do not do a lot of work on their machines and have to switch between many work spaces and lots of apps. And I'd say XFCE is extremely underrated, perhaps because out of the box it looks terrible. Maybe try TROMjaro....see how it goes.

    walthervonstolzing , in Thoughts on Windows and WSL?
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    W/o a fully functional systemd (or equivalent) implementation, there’s no dbus session; w/o dbus, GUI apps can’t work reliably.

    As to various server processes – windows can kill them at will, if it decides that they’re idling.

    Peerhaps some cli tools work reliably on wsl2; but then again it’s got very slow i/o for extensive use.

    I think a fully fledged vm on Hyper-V is a better bet by far.

    neoney , in I want ease of use, polish, and the i3 workflow. Should I use fedora or nix os?
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    I’d try out Hyprland or Sway with nwg-shell.

    neoney ,
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    bloodfart , in What is your go-to Linux distro and why?

    Debian stable, the os for 50 year old nudists.

    It’s the stable branch of one of the oldest distributions around.

    CerineArkweaver , in What is your go-to Linux distro and why?

    Fedora. Mainly because I work at a RHEL shop and I want a daily driver that is somewhat similar to my work environment.

    vermyndax ,
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    The recent RHEL drama hasn't changed any of that?

    CerineArkweaver ,

    Not really. As I understand it, RHEL is restricting access to the source code of proprietary things they developed. Does it go against open source principles? Sure. Does it make sense from a business perspective? Absolutely. I was actually surprised that this wasn’t the case before.

    afb , in Base Community Distros

    Debian and Void (and Void is iffy. The TTY installer is easy enough though, and it’s basically good to go out of the box if you get the glibc iso with Xfce). None of the other base distros are super user-friendly in terms of installation, though I’d add Endeavour OS as an honorary member of the group since it’s essentially Arch with a good installer, a friendly community, and nice defaults.

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