Then you’re likely the same age as my uncle. In many ways I’m a bit sad I missed that era, the Commodore 64 really shaped a generation in ways the NES just didn’t do because it was “just” a game system. Programming was just so “accessible” in a lack of better words on the 64 and it just didn’t get as accessible again I feel until YouTube but it’s just not the same. I tried to dabble on PC back in the late 90s and early 00s but it was wild west with poor resources outside of schools/heavy (English) literature and full of viruses! In late middle school I learned Basic and it blew my mind back then. But Java felt like such a let down in University. Nowadays I’m into scripting instead and work DevOps.