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SolanumChillEse ,

When was the last time China invaded anyone? Including China here is a baseless equivocation and basically yellow scare nonsense.

RexRegum ,
  1. Yellow scare sounds like a very racist term
  2. Nukes
SolanumChillEse ,

It is a term used to describe racists, yes. Which the vast majority of China fear-mongering is deeply rooted in.

Nukes are the reason they’re the same? India, Israel, North Korea, and Pakistan also have nukes.

RexRegum ,

Let’s use racism to describe racists? Seems reasonable

I knew you’d use the “other countries have nukes too” statement. Well, other countries aren’t as hostile as China is, except North Korea, but are you going to tell me it doesn’t get the China treatment? Lol. Israel is basically an extension of NATO at this point, Pakistan isn’t viewed favourably at all and India isn’t particularly hostile

Anamana ,

Why do you feel the need to defend China? They could have put any powerful country in there really, but there aren’t many left when you have NATO and Russia already

Prandom_returns ,
  1. China is a superpower, nuke-holder
  2. China failed and still fails to condemn russia’s actions and still see russia as their partner.
  3. Communist countries stick together
  4. China is the only superpower not involved with the current war that remains aggressive towards NATO/US
  5. China has now completely took over Hong-Kong
  6. And they’re openly planning to do the same with Taiwan.

All these 6 combined is why china is worthy being next to russia in this meme.

boredtortoise OP ,

Hey hey let’s not call China communist

Anamana ,

Let’s not call Russia communist either lol. People who think that communism is still a threat in '23 are stuck in their cold war dystopianism.

Prandom_returns ,

You mean china that is lead by the communist party of china?

boredtortoise OP ,

Good marketing, like “Democratic People’s Republic of Korea”

And both in practice something totally else

Prandom_returns ,

Can you name a communist country that is radically different than china?

Because I can name 20 different democratic countries that are radically different than north korea, in turn not changing the meaning of “democracy”.

An outlier doesn’t mean the word changed its meaning.

boredtortoise OP ,

It’s more like it’s impossible to name how China could be communist. They’d need a revolution or something

I’d bet it’s not the first on the list to have it’s people take power

Prandom_returns ,

I’m saying that china + soviet union has defined and continue to define what communism is. It’s a word that’s tainted forever.

Just like, for example, Christianity is defined by modern Christians.

MetaCubed ,

They define the cultural idea of communism

I hate being “that guy” tm but

The Soviet Union only briefly played with the idea of communism before committing to a single party socialist Republic. Modern day Russia is an autocratic dictatorship hiding in a Trenchcoat with “democracy” written on it.

China is again, a one party state which is, in truth, a Republic. China’s historical dances with “communism” are rather similar to that of the USSR wherein an offshoot of marxist-leninism was implemented, modified and then used, ultimately landing closer… Again to a socialist Republic and now being effectively an autocratic dictatorship hiding in a Trenchcoat… Etc. Etc.

Neither country in my opinion ever reached the illusory “true communism”. Maybe the west is right and it’s a failed ideology, maybe “it just hasn’t had the right leader yet” but ultimately, I believe most political ideologies have good bits that we can take notes on to improve the lives of others.

I apologize for any historical or political inaccuracies, wrote this with knowledge from the best of my memory while on the toilet at work

Prandom_returns ,

Some good info in here.

From what you’ve said, it looks like communism has a historical tendency to become an authoritarian dictatorship, in turn redefining what ‘communism’ means to most people?

draneceusrex ,

I think authoritarian states typically get mislabeled very easily within modern times, especially by themselves. Some precedent I believe should exist for what I would loosely call “Stalinist” Communism, as that is what has been the most historical application of the term. But the modern Chinese state I believe would make Mao, Lenin, and even Stalin roll around in their graves by being considered Communist, and we should call a spade a spade. China is a fascist country now.

Zoldyck ,

I’m pro-NATO and against all dictators and autocrats. We are not the same.

boredtortoise OP ,

Can NATO ever get rid of its own dictators and autocrats? Dunno but it wouldn’t be as bad if it could

spacesweedkid27 ,

Call it democracy, but in reality it’s just lobbyism.

Especially in Germany and in the US.

Nerorero ,
@Nerorero@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Germany and the US are very different.

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