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they will be handed a $5000 check (their deposit). That will buy enough Uber rides for them to keep their job for now until they sort this out.

… which they will no longer have to use a deposit once this gets sorted out. Isn’t this “let them eat cake” advice? Like saying, “they can just live on credit cards until they get a job”?

However, this is a situation of “Poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.”

True enough. I would hope, however, that we’re building a society of compassionate support systems, and not a libertarian hellscape where you have to insert a quarter to call emergency services. I mean, we’re already mostly in that hellscape, where a single ambulance ride can literally bankrupt families.

I think we aren’t disagreeing on the fundamentals: the subject made a series of poor decisions. Where we differ is that I believe that the system is letting them down, creating conditions that we’re are watching create a SovCit. However, I didn’t dig in a deeply as you did to see it the person is missing some easy fixes.

It’s entirely possible that this person just isn’t very smart. Or maybe they aren’t very experienced at being an adult - they could be 19 and lack experience; they could be poorly educated, or be on the spectrum. They could simply have poor problem solving when dealing with bureaucracy. Maybe their life skills are in a different area than dealing with a web of regulation requirements.

I believe we’re living in a time that favors people with certain skills, and also disadvantages people who lack those skills. What you call basic “adulting” is a bias in favor of people who can navigate bureaucracies; this tends to be a much more urban skill set, and it’s one of the things causing so much division between urban and rural America.

For me, it comes down to this: we, as a country, should be creating a society where people who aren’t and don’t want to have a higher education, and skill and experience with information systems, can still accomplish what they need to do. You should be able to navigate a relocation within the country with no more than a basic high-school education. A lot of what this person seems to be struggling with is being overwhelmed by paperwork and a lack of skill in researching information, and IMHO, this is as much a failure of the bureaucracy as it is the individual’s ability to efficiently concurrently navigate multiple regulatory systems.

As an aside, I appreciate your approach to this debate. We disagree about some points, but I think you’ve argued well, and politely, so thank you. It’s conversations like this that remind me of how different from Reddit the Lemmy vibe (usually) is - with the exception of a few Lemmy instances which seem to be magnets for trolls and caustic bad-faith actors.

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