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NuraShiny ,

D&D might be a soulless product of middling quality because it is so corporatized now that they refuse to take risks or even release an actually new edition for their big anniversary, but they changed a word so we need to celebrate them.

All the while games like Fabula Ultima don’t even have the concept of race or species and you can define it via a quirk if you feel there is something important to distinguish your character. Lancer doesn’t even ask the question and just wants you to define what your character is good at. And yea the default setting of lancer only has humans, but it’s also a post-scarcity hyper future where people can change their genes and looks with great ease.

But we didn’t read those games and in the TTRPG space, only talking about D&D gets clicks, so this had to be about D&D.

ProfessorOwl_PhD ,
@ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net avatar

It’s ridiculous that the author thinks they can tell other games to follow D&D when they’ve only looked at D&D. Not only does this update lag well behind most TTRPGs, it doesn’t actually bring it up to date - species has its own issue of being inaccurate in a game rampant with half-lineages, which is why other games moved to terms like lineage and ancestry instead. These are discussions people have had because of the problems of D&D, it hasn’t been a trailblazer since the release of 3.0.

Boomkop3 ,

I don’t know how this helps anything? People’s disdain for each other is not about what you call it.

Regardless of my understanding though it’s good to see them working to improve the game like this

einkorn ,
@einkorn@feddit.org avatar

Can’t find the comic at the moment, but it immediately came to my mind:

  • Dude holds a purple flag
  • Sees guy with a yellow flag greeting him
  • Looks at his flag
  • Thinks “Fuck that guy”

People can hate each other for any reason imaginable. Looking differently is just the simplest one.

uninvitedguest ,
@uninvitedguest@lemmy.ca avatar

Extra Fabulous Comics.

https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/30f624b8-c2c6-4a34-b042-1e28d345a5aa.jpeg

einkorn ,
@einkorn@feddit.org avatar

Thank you!

doubtingtammy ,

“species” is simply more accurate, and makes multiracial games a little less awkward

Boomkop3 ,

multispecial, then?

Boomkop3 ,

multispecies? multispecial? speciesiously diverse? That is a good point tho, I like it

doubtingtammy ,

I meant the players lol

Boomkop3 ,

Not just humans playing the game?

Boomkop3 ,

Also, did the game not have things like half orcs and such? That wouldn’t be a thing with species

doubtingtammy ,

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_(biology)Like mules

winterayars ,

Race was always a flawed idea. To be honest i think it’s not that bad in a fantasy setting but it can also lead to some weird and uncomfortable stuff and i don’t think there’s a good reason to keep it.

On the flip side, “ancestries” or backgrounds or whatever are a lot more flexible as a concept and let you do some cool stuff.

Boomkop3 ,

yoo, that is a hella cool idea. Kinda like how some vampire movies work

cryptiod137 ,

“oh that race doesn’t make good wizards they are less intelligent than others”

With the word race out of the descriptions, its less likely that someone will get mad over something like that.

This is a real example from early 5e that some people got upset over, to the point some people still mention it, acting all wigged out.

Anything that pushes real world politics away from me games is inherently good.

Boomkop3 ,

I guess that’s a natural consequence of just having a lot of people on a platform

10_0 ,

Honestly don’t mind the change, but it should be “kinds” and not “species”. Or don’t change at all, no change was needed in the first place.

Excel ,
@Excel@beehaw.org avatar

Except Pathfinder already switched to “Ancestry” 6 years ago.

Stop trying to act like you’re leading the pack, when the reality is that you’re lagging behind.

StaySquared ,

Ah… no identity just all copy pasta.

Rehwyn ,

Makes sense. Pathfinder already shifted over to Ancestries in their 2nd Edition. Paizo has a pretty good history of representation and sensitivity to stuff like this though.

cerement ,
@cerement@slrpnk.net avatar

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/314622/Ancestry--Culture-An-Alternative-to-Race-in-5e at DriveThruRPG

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