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The Weekly Discussion Topic - Game UIs - 04-08-2023

It’s time for the second ever weekly discussion topic, everyone! Before we continue, I’d like to thank everyone for all the interesting engagement we got on the last post. I was unsure if anyone would even comment at all, so seeing it be so active was really nice. Anyway, let’s get to it; this week’s discussion topic is Game UIs.

A UI (User Interface) is something that everyone should be familiar with nowadays; It is the visual and tangible way that we interact with computers, whether that be games or other programs. Specifically in relation to gaming, the UI represents the HUD (Heads-Up Display), the menus, and other things like status bars and dialogue boxes which all fall under the general term “UI”. (This discussion was actually originally just going to be about HUDs, as it is the UI element you will be seeing the most in a lot of cases, but I thought to expand it to encompass all elements as they often go hand in hand.) UIs can range from minimalistic to works of art in their own right, depending on the type of game and the design philosophies of the UI developers. A good UI should be easily navigable for the player; ease of selecting different options, clear display of critical information, and minimal confusion as to what any given button or toggle will do. The amount of information that must be displayed by the UI can range from minimal in a puzzle or traditional FPS game to massive in a simulation or a strategy game. It is an aspect of games we play that many don’t give a second thought to, but is very important for both accessibility and style.

Here are some questions and subtopics that I encourage people to discuss:

  • What games have you favorite UIs? What about specifically favorite HUD, or favorite main menu?
  • Do you prefer more stylish UIs or more utilitarian ones? What games have a good union of form and function when it comes to this?
  • How much do you value the customization of the UI? Do you often find yourself fine-tuning the HUD and other elements in games that allow it?
  • Do you prefer maximum information conveyed by the UI, even if it’s at the cost of easy readability?
  • When toggling subtitles, should the options for it be under Audio Settings or Video Settings, or its own category? (This single specific question has been a raging debate for many years in gaming circles.)

Also feel free to bring up anything you like related to the topic! If you have suggestions for future discussion topics, leave them in the suggestion thread.

Additional Resources- Game UI Database, a resource for browsing different game’s UIs- Interface In Game, (also contains additional information and articles) - List of all Weekly Discussion Topics (still being a bit lazy, I’ll have this up later today or tomorrow (feel free to kick me awake if I haven’t done it by then))

echoplex21 ,

I want to give a quick shoutout to Fable 2. The breadcrumbs UI trick was great as it let you know where to go but allowed you to enjoy the scenery. No longer did I have to focus on a tiny ass mini map on the corner of the screen. Can’t wait for the new one to come out.

TheSpookiestUser OP ,
@TheSpookiestUser@lemmy.world avatar

(Screenshots taken from the Interface in Game site, here: interfaceingame.com/games/team-fortress-2/)

I wanna talk about the game I’m currently absorbed with, Team Fortress 2. TF2, being rather old, allows total customization of the UI, from the HUD to the menus. The default UI is clear, but also dated in places; you can really see where they slapped on new elements that clash a bit with existing ones, like the medals on the scoreboard compared to other elements, or the loading screen for a map, which has the very old Source infobox in the bottom right, a stylized background and panel taking up most of the screen, and a well integrated but still a bit off info bar at the top that was added more recently. The most glaring example is probably the community server browser compared to the newer slide-out tabs and menus for navigating play options. If Valve was still doing major work on this game, I’d say they need a good UI unification art pass.

When browsing TF2 custom HUDs on a site like this, there’s quite a few different styles to choose from, ranging from those that attempt to refine the vanilla HUD to those that make it something entirely different. Many competitive players prefer minimalistic HUDs that put pertinent information like health and ammo count closer to the center of the screen, so that one doesn’t need to divide their attention while fighting. Still others will pick a HUD that is a different style but still “complete” and fleshed out; even others still will fill their UI with memes (which I never understood, but to each their own).

Sometimes you just have to appreciate the little touches, though, like the animations and presentation on a map’s video tutorial and the class select screen. It oozes a particular aesthetic that the game has deviated from, over time.

Djennik ,

Another issue I had with exoprimal (besides having only 3 maps and one gamemode, the mtx clusterfuck) was the UI. It was all over the place both in-game and in the menu’s. No idea where to look for.

V risings build menu was tedious as well. Putting everything in one big line made finding your pieces and their variants hard.

On menu’s: I don’t mind a few more clicks as long as the information is found intuitively and is clearly presented. Don’t try to reinvent the wheel. What I do like though is presenting them in an immersive fashion like metro exodus or an oldie: medal of honor multiplayer.

I think age of empires did a solid job of giving you the information you needed. Even as a little kid I understood what I was looking at.

Justdaveisfine ,

Yeah I love those diagetic menus/UI elements.

I don’t care if flipping out a lighter is necessary to see what your objective is on a notebook, it just feels better than scrolling down a quest log.

otacon239 ,

/rant incoming

I honestly believe a HUD minimap is one of the worst game UI elements a game can have. There is rarely a canonical explanation to begin with as to why your character magically knows the layout of rooms they haven’t entered and even worse that they know the position of enemies.

Even further, in the rare case that it does make canonical sense, you find yourself staring at this little 2D representation of the map that frankly looks terrible in comparison to the game world, yet you are forced to use it for navigation.

The most egregious example of this is GTA V and RDR2. In GTA, you could maybe explain that there is a GPS, but why isn’t this mended with the phone your character has? And in RDR2? No explanation at all. It’s near impossible to get from A to B in RDR without missing a turn because I’m usually trying to pay attention to the environment. This absolutely does not foster exploration. It becomes a checklist of locations to visit and naturally finding elements in the game world rarely happens.

An example of this being done well is something like Watch Dogs or Assassin’s Creed where you could argue in Watch Dogs that their augmented reality tech makes sense to be able to get the drop on enemies and building layout. AC has the whole simulation aspect.

Another example is something like The Crew where you can reliably disable the map entirely with the overhead GPS line that guides the player. More games would benefit from this by keeping your eyes on the world.

I’d love to see more games where disabling the map doesn’t ruin gameplay. In AC and Watch Dogs, they were mostly made for this and a large portion of the game can be played almost entirely HUD-less.

One last thought to leave on is that of you feel you absolutely must guide the player by map, why not make the map in-engine like many journals in games. Hell, RDR2 has an in-world journal that feels super life-like. Why not extend this to the map?

/end rant

bundes_sheep ,

I honestly believe a HUD minimap is one of the worst game UI elements a game can have. There is rarely a canonical explanation to begin with as to why your character magically knows the layout of rooms they haven’t entered and even worse that they know the position of enemies.

I agree. I like the way old-school rogue-likes would handle it (where you’re an @ symbol). You wouldn’t see anything you haven’t seen, but your map would remember where you have been and what things looked like at the time you last saw it (more or less). I’d personally just rather have a compass than a minimap, that way it could tell me which way I was facing and I’d have to rely on environmental cues for the rest. Maybe footprints if you have walked by there lately (or something has).

deestorkb , (edited )

I agree that it does take away from the immersion. But IMHO there are two different things here, at least in RDR2. The HUD is by far the biggest problem in the game. But it can be disabled (on PS4, hold DOWN arrow and then you get the option to switch it off). Doing this was the single best thing I ever did in RDR2 (well, apart from replacing the in-game music with Bob Dylan's soundtrack to Sam Peckinpah's Pat Garrett. Seriously, try it.. :-) ) . The downside is you often find yourself getting battered by surprise gangs of bounty hunters.

I feel the map is not so much of an issue, though as you suggest, a series of proper maps in your satchel, similar to the treasure maps, and obtainable in stores, etc. would have been amazing.

For anyone replaying single player, switching off the weapons reticle and the HUD makes the game unbelievably immense. That for me was worth the 5x increase in dying!

otacon239 ,

Oh, I absolutely did, and for exploring it adds a ton to the experience, but when trying to complete missions, there will be a dozen points marked on the minimap and no visual cues otherwise. Or if I need to travel to a mission, same thing. I disable it when I can, but I find myself having to re-enable every 10 minutes.

deestorkb ,

Yeah, that's sadly true—shame you can't do the missions without the map/hud, some sort of paper trail would have been much more atmospheric... In general, I'd have liked to have seen a bit more balance between the character-driven—but extremely controlled—missions and the free roaming. I replay a lot (still my overall fave game), but mostly just free roam. For me, switching off the HUD really opened things up, slowed me down, made me aware of sounds, etc.

garretble ,
@garretble@lemmy.world avatar

When I found out about the “Pro” hud in BotW/TotK it really changed my enjoyment of the game. Having nothing on the screen is so nice. I opened up the map quite a bit, sure, but it really made me look up and scan the world so much more. And because those games are MADE so that is fun and engaging, it made it even better. You start to really feel grounded in the world when you start learning the environmental landmarks you see and come across.

otacon239 ,

This is why I do it. To encourage me to look around the game world and truly appreciate the amount of work that went into creating it. The games that build gameplay around no map benefit so much by allowing me to explore. It’s made WD:Legion so much more fun to approach. I get to figure out my way around building by using the gameplay mechanics they built and plan a route like a “real” hacker.

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