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What the fediverse needs is....CIRCLES!

So, I was thinking that I joined Lemmy.World because Lemmy had more users than MBin. But today I was looking at mbin.cocopoops.com and started seeing MY posts. I knew Mbin could have different instances. I knew Lemmy could have different instances. And I knew they all federated together.

But I didn’t know Mbin could federate with Lemmy. But I’m sure Lemmy/Mbin probably won’t federate with Pixelfed, or Peertube.

Mbin, piefed, and Lemmy are essentially reddit replacements. So they should be in a circle. It doesn’t matter how many users Mbin has, or piefed has, or Lemmy has. It matters how many the full circle of federated reddit replacements have. Because thats the true circle of users that you can interact with.

So what we need is a website that you enter an instance, and it tells you how big your circle would be on that platform, and a list of federated, and defederated instances with it.

So Lemmy.World would have a pretty high circle. While hexbear would have only itself, if I understand right.

GlenRambo ,

I like the idea. In regards to lemmy and its instances (so I guess a smaller Scale to what your suggesting … Though I still don’t fully get the fediverse).

I did something similar when picking a Lemmy instance. What was the instance that had defederated others the least. There was a git page somewhere that listed them all.

On the flip side I’ve heard a notion that no one single instance should become the “main” instance. Probably with your suggestion new users would gravitate to the big circle. Thus making it the “default”. But maybe it’s different when looking outside of lemmy instances to the wider fediverse.

Chozo ,

But I'm sure Lemmy/Mbin probably won't federate with Pixelfed, or Peertube.

Technically, they do! It's not fully-integrated yet so the process is a bit hackish, but because the ActivityPub protocol works mostly the same on the backend, content from any of these platforms can appear on the others without much issue.

The biggest issue just has to do with the way you actually interact with each platform may not translate well on another compatible platform. For example, Pixelfed typically nests replies to comments only one layer deep, whereas Lemmy or Mbin will nest many layers deep. The actual nesting still works just fine when you view Pixelfed comments on Lemmy, and if you join in the conversation and reply in the middle of the thread, your post will nest properly for you and will show inline as normal for Pixelfed users. So in some instances, you may need to know a bit about what platform you're posting to, on top of the platform you're posting from.

There's other quirks like Mastodon replies typically being preceded with @ing the user they're replying to, which isn't a thing on the Lemmy side of things. It doesn't really change the way posting works, and you can choose to not do it and things will still work fine.

otter ,

But I didn’t know Mbin could federate with Lemmy. But I’m sure Lemmy/Mbin probably won’t federate with Pixelfed, or Peertube.

I think all of these are "don’t federate well currently ", but it’s a goal to improve federation over time

For example, Lemmy is federating with Mastodon better than when I first joined. It’s also possible to subscribe to peertube channels from Lemmy, but it’s a bit buggy.

SnotFlickerman ,
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This would be massively exploitable by anyone who wanted to know the personal networks of someone they wanted to harass (and businesses wanting to scrape and make shadow profiles on consumer connections).

All you need is their email, since you’re doing this before you make an account, you can see all their personal connections and start to use that information to aid in your harassment of them.

Good idea in theory, but it needs a lot of work for showtime.

Lost_My_Mind OP ,

I think you’re kind of misunderstanding what I’m saying.

You wouldn’t see where an individual user is. You would see “If I sign up to lemmy.world, I’ll have 300,000 people combined across these instances. The people signed up at any of these are counted in that 300,000. They’ll see my content, and I’ll see their content. But if I sign up to hexbear, my circle will be much lower, because that instance defederates from the majority of users. So my content will only be seen by 50,000 users.”

Made up numbers for the sake of proof of concept.

SkaveRat ,

zombo.com has circles.

You can do anything there

gashead76 ,
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I was just wondering if that still existed a few days ago. Glad to know it does. I like knowing the impossible is attainable.

Chozo ,

The unattainable is unknown at Zombo Com.

Bricriu ,
@Bricriu@lemmy.world avatar

Now that’s a deep cut.

GooberEar ,

I recently joined WTF and based on the list of the instances this place is federated with, my assumption is that’s the basis for the WTF name. So, maybe something like this could be useful for choosing an instance that’s not 1/2 filled with bat shit insane posts by default rather than requiring significant and immediate curation (i.e. blocking stupid shit like hexbear and ml).

lastunusedusername2 ,

Remember Google+ circles? =]

Davel23 ,

Remember Webrings?

Zombiepirate ,
@Zombiepirate@lemmy.world avatar

Sign my guestbook!

NuXCOM_90Percent ,

Generally speaking, all the major instances are federated with all the other major instances.

The differences are the super tiny instances (which are generally effectively zero traffic) and the controversial instances (mostly tankies). Said controversial instances don’t want to advertise that nobody can stand them and the rest of the instances don’t want to deal with the bullshit from bringing it up again.

I think it would be a nice novelty to visualize this. But I don’t think there would be much actionable information coming out of it and , because this is The Internet, it will likely lead to harassment and brigading.

can ,

Mbin also federate with mastodon

Coelacanth ,
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So does Lemmy, to an extent. It doesn’t support microblogs directly, but Mastodon users can post to a community by @-ing it and can reply to comments on Lemmy, and we can reply to their replies and posts.

Blaze ,
@Blaze@feddit.org avatar

But I didn’t know Mbin could federate with Lemmy.

Interesting, I thought that was quite well known

originalucifer ,
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well, this will give you a rundown on each instance

https://defed.xyz/

all of the defeds for https://moist.catsweat.com are spam or 'no longer exists';

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