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pewgar_seemsimandroid ,

go ahead verge, you talked shit about Reddit.

Dariusmiles2123 ,

I’d be really happy about anything bringing more people on Lemmy and the Fediverse, so I wouldn’t complain about it.

Maybe I’m not seeing the big picture as some people seem to be scared of such a move.

DamienGramatacus ,

I love 404 Media. I wish i had enough disposable income to support them.

QualifiedKitten ,

Any idea how things might be handled when things get crossposted? Will replies on the crossposted threads also become comments on their sites? Or only replies to the original post?

ShittyKopper ,

Lemmy’s cross posts are separate posts that just happen to link to the same thing. so only replies to the original post would be sent with the current design.

that said, i severely doubt Lemmy will gain anything from this. publishers will not be sending out their posts to any communities, and i highly doubt they will expose any fep-1b12 group actors you can subscribe as a community.

kbin/mbin with it’s ability to follow users may work better, assuming people test their federation with software other than mastodon, and accept any of the interoperability bugs as actual bugs instead of ignoring them. (lemmy itself is no stranger to this: the fact that users and communities can share the same username break quite a bit)

solrize ,

Wait their articles are paywalled. Are they only going to federate the clickbait teaser intros?

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

And replies, presumably

aasatru ,
@aasatru@kbin.earth avatar

I could read the full article, not sure what's going on.

Anyway, the journalist is writing about the Verge and 404 Media, and the more general potential benefits for the industry. There's nothing about Digiday.com following the same path.

It's a nice write-up. The main things I learned is that the Verge is transitioning to WordPress, and 404 is using Ghost. Both hope to activate the ActivityPub capabilities of these platforms when they're ready - the Verge when it finishes transitioning, 404 when Ghost implants AP support.

Metz ,

Wait their articles are paywalled.

Journalists have to pay for food and rent too. What is the alternative? ads?

The money has to come from somewhere.

mulcahey ,

I didn’t read Solrize’s comment as saying “There shouldn’t be paywalls,” just asking the very legitimate question as to how they will interact with federation.

Interestingly, 404 just solved something kinda related: they developed a way for subscribers to get a custom RSS feed address, so they can access paywalled articles directly in their RSS reader. TMK, they are the first publication to do this. I imagine they would do something similar for federation. (I believe that if any of the custom RSS feeds show huge traffic numbers, 404 shuts it down, but I’m not sure)

Natanael ,

I don’t think that’s new, you just need to throw in a personal subscription key in the URL

solrize ,

Paywalls just don’t mix that well with federation. The teasers are basically ads, and why would fediverse volunteers want to propagate some company’s ads? The non-federated model they are using now seems fine.

lambalicious ,

The money comes from the companies that are hiring them to do the journalist work. Of course.

Let’s be intellectually honest here. If a company has enough money that the boss can brand themself as “CEO” then it can pay at least living wages.

darreninthenet ,
@darreninthenet@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I didn’t think Verge was…?

Marsupial ,
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

How about corporations fuck off? Let us have our own small slice of people own and ran Internet back again.

YourAvgMortal ,

The nice thing about the fediverse is that you could start your own instance and not federate with them

ekZepp OP ,
@ekZepp@lemmy.world avatar

…or block them.

Excrubulent , (edited )
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

Unfortunately in our capitalist hellscape, having corporations come in and try to profit off of your space is the price of success.

This is a sign that capitalists can’t actually fight the fediverse anymore, they can’t ignore it, they can only embrace it. I think that means that it’s on its way to being a successful protocol rather than a niche experiment.

The only question left there is whether the fediverse will make a significant change to how the internet operates and prevent monopolies from capturing the vast majority of social media like they have for the last decade or so. I think it’s got a decent chance of that.

pennomi ,

Yeah but now they have to play by our rules or get defederated. We are no longer at the mercy of profit motives.

FiskFisk33 , (edited )

I see no problem with this, if they federate instances can choose to pick them up or not

Freeman ,

Sounds great

originalucifer ,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

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Max_P ,
@Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me avatar

If they do that, they can no longer complain that Meta is freeloading on them and get themselves banned by Meta like they did in Canada…

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