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WashedOver ,
@WashedOver@lemmy.ca avatar

I’m glad to see this. I was mostly a lurker at the old place for over 10 years.

Creating posts and commenting at times was difficult and often they were deleted due to some rule or issue. The worst was when users would message to let me know the post had been deleted and they knew due to some other form of the site they were using.

In all my years of managing Forums before this period it wasn’t that hard to create new topics and participate so I gave up.

I started lurking here at Lemmy then starting seeing this theme about user engagement going down and not enough content. When I would end up back at the old place after a Google search on something I could see the volume number differences between lemmy and there so I decided to try posting again.

So far it’s been a lot easier especially in sh1tposting. I did run into a couple of hiccups but overall it’s been a lot easier.

I’ll enjoy it while it lasts as over time with more users things will change, at least for now the posts are not drowning in comments by the thousands yet. I can keep up with that. It kind of reminds me of my old forum days in the early 2000s.

Ram_The_Manparts ,

Hexbear be like 🥱

Murvel ,

Yeah shit, it was when redditors found you freaks that most of them left

What_Religion_R_They ,
@What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net avatar

https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1c79a89d-0283-4ba4-8789-bf172f84675b.png
i have been posting for 3 years!

comrade_pibb ,
@comrade_pibb@hexbear.net avatar

🥱

Alaskaball ,
@Alaskaball@hexbear.net avatar

niko-yawn

wiki_me ,

unfortunately other data is not encouraging , the number of servers is both down since the exodus and in the recent month.

I think the number of servers is a interesting metric to look on, it correlates with users who are tech savy and are early adopters, before the exodus the number of servers was growing consistently , despite the number of users mostly staying the same, That was IMO an indication of the relative quality of lemmy at the time and indeed it seemed to got the most benefits from the exodus out of all the reddit alternatives.

compare that with peertube which shows consistent growth in the number of servers (see this month, and long term), I think what makes them better then lemmy currently is that they currently seem better at prioritizing feature development by using a dedicated site.

Also the total donations have declined in the last month (from €3962 to €3,771 today), So i think we should try to not get overconfident and work to secure the future of lemmy or some other open source reddit alternative.

OsrsNeedsF2P ,

Before the Reddit exodus, I don’t remember many active servers besides Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad (there was Lemm.ee and Lemmy.ca but they both had like 3 posts a week). Hexbear wasn’t federated, and servers were mostly being desperately spun up in anticipation for a flood of users who would crash the network.

The donations being down is bad though. I would love for at least Lemmy.ml to sticky a post asking for funding; one has to look no further than Thunderbird to see how well that works.

wiki_me ,

Before the Reddit exodus, I don’t remember many active servers besides Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad (there was Lemm.ee and Lemmy.ca but they both had like 3 posts a week). Hexbear wasn’t federated, and servers were mostly being desperately spun up in anticipation for a flood of users who would crash the network.

There were about 80 before the exodus (may 2023), compared to to 40 (may 2022) and 15 (may 2021), about double the servers every year which is good considering this is “word to mouth” growth, even older data shows a clear growth trend, my guess is that i and others didn’t really see them because they are some dude community, even today i think i will have a problem listing more then 5-10 lemmy servers.

morrowind OP ,

beehaw and the science instance were also fairly active before the exodus, and midwest.social was like, a little active

silent_water ,
@silent_water@hexbear.net avatar

unfortunately other data is not encouraging , the number of servers is both down since the exodus and in the recent month.

this is normal. we’ll go through a lot of similar waves. people start servers, realize they’re a lot of work, and then abandon them. servers that foster a healthy community will survive. hexbear’s worst cycle involved losing the entire administrative team just weeks after a large percentage of the website left. don’t sweat the growing pains - work together to learn, grow, and change.

Zap ,

Ya know. The fact that active users was going down made me feel like part of the 1% of stubborn assholes but ever since RiF went dark the only time I’ve been on reddit is when a Google search took me there because fuck spez. I’m in it for the long haul. I won’t be going back. And ya know what? Fuck Google too. I’ve migrated to Firefox and DuckDuckGo since then too. Idk maybe it’s just cause I am stubborn but I refuse to be a hypocrite.

Valmond ,

Hello fellow stubborner!

Just gave my windows PC to upgrade my kids gaming setup, Linux on a ThinkPad T490 for me now.

It’s such a fresh feeling, no more crap everywhere.

TrendigOsthyvel ,

I’ve done the same. Even installed linux on my gaming rig. Also moved everything to proton.

3ntranced ,

Proton boyz

OsrsNeedsF2P ,

I’ve installed Libreddit to redirect any Google searches that lead me to Reddit. They’re not getting my visit!

addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/…/libreddit/

syd ,
@syd@lemy.lol avatar

Nice extension, I installed too 👍

KISSmyOS ,

I use an ad blocker, so the only thing my visit gets them is server load.

glibg10b ,

I hope you’re donating to the respective libreddit instance hoster, because unlike Reddit, they’re not a multibillion corporation with a steady ad income to pay for their traffic

If you’re not, then I suggest you use old.reddit.com with uBlock Origin

Very_Bad_Janet ,

Thank you!

kakes ,

Agreed. I may be principled to a fault, but I’ll never go back to Reddit. It has that corporate miasma to it now.

Truth be told, it had the miasma long before the API changes, but that was the point where the boiled frog croaked for me.

JimmyBigSausage ,

What is a reddit?

Zoidsberg ,
@Zoidsberg@lemmy.ca avatar

An old corporate link aggregator. Think Facebook meets Lemmy.

Aquilae ,
@Aquilae@hexbear.net avatar

Lemmy is quite the pipeline

velox_vulnus ,

All our data are belong to us.

TurtleTourParty ,

I joined !privacy and now I use GrapheneOS (instead of Android), Fedora (instead of Windows), Firefox (instead of chrome), Mullvad VPN, jmp.chat (instead of google voice), and Kagi (instead of google search).

It’s a rabbit hole.

Although Fedora was mostly because an update to windows 11 completely broke it and I didn’t feel like trying to fix windows so I just wiped my laptop and installed Fedora.

akilou , (edited )

Keep up the momentum! Install Signal, migrate to the Proton suite.

tetris11 ,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

fellow Thumb-key user?

akilou ,

Tell me more. Like a yubi key? I haven’t progressed that far yet.

tetris11 ,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

it’s an android keyboard that specializes in thumb movements, and in principle anables one to type fast using a single hand. That being said it is devilishly difficult at first and it has no autotorrect or suggestioins as of yet, causing small misspellings here and there

Search for com.dessalines.thumbkey in F-Droid

SuckMyWang ,

Your comment warms my heart and gives me hope. Thank you

MintyAnt ,

Rip rif

smeg ,

I assumed active users was going down partly because some of us created multiple accounts on different instances in the beginning to get a feel for it all, then ended up just using one

sock ,

i hardly use lemmy compared to rif but i was under the belief reddit content is just better but the app sucks. i was wrong turns out it all sucks. rif just gave the shit a tuxedo.

nowadays i look at reddit and the content is asisine its all the same shitty headlines and weird ask questions “how much sex does the average woodchuck have during football season?”

it feels like Facebook. lifeless and like everyone is pretending

encode8062 ,

Activity

syd ,
@syd@lemy.lol avatar

It could be about programming.dev and lemmynsfw.com stat changes: github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/4235

TL;DR: By default, Lemmy only counts posts and comments for active users. These instances also started counting the votes. According to Lemmy NSFW admin, there are 3 times more active users with lurkers.

Blaze ,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Ah, that could be it. I would like other instances to do the same, to me ama voting lurker is an active user

syd ,
@syd@lemy.lol avatar

Absolutely. Other social media platforms count as active when we mistakenly enter their sites :)

maegul ,
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

Given all the different ways “active” is defined we may as well just collect all the meanings available.

Mastodon and Twitter etc, for example, count logging on as active.

While I can see the argument for voting, it is qualitatively different from posting/commenting. Knowing both, as well as log in numbers too might make sense. But muddying the waters is probably confusing … though it is interesting that any instance can define what it means by “active”.

sabreW4K3 ,
@sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf avatar

I would say that voting isn’t actually different from posting/commenting. It’s a process whereby a user takes part in a discussion/topic/post. In an ideal world, everyone would post, but we shouldn’t act like active people who don’t feel like they have anything to say explicitly, aren’t here.

imaqtpie ,
@imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works avatar

Totally agree. Even when two commenters are replying to one another, there is always another layer where they are also addressing everyone in the thread/community/instance/fediverse, which obviously includes lurkers.

The votes shape everything about the platform, so ignoring the lurkers in the stats feels like it’s missing an important data point.

imaqtpie ,
@imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works avatar

Okay, that makes more sense, I was trying to figure out what had changed in the past week. I’m very curious to see how that data would look for other servers too. I think it’s more logical to count users even if they don’t post or comment, because they are still a critical part of the whole ecosystem if they browse and vote regularly. Even without saying anything, their thoughts and opinions help shape the content and discourse through voting.

And for that matter, weekly active users and daily active users would be two other interesting datapoints. You can see the daily and weekly users on the sidebar of instances, but I don’t know of any tool/site that scrapes all of that info and displays it in an easily digestible format.

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

According to Lemmy NSFW admin, there are 3 times more active users with jerkers.

FTFY

Die4Ever ,
@Die4Ever@programming.dev avatar

if you switch to daily stats you can see a big bump on the 4th, and a smaller bump on the 5th, is that when they made this change?

lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats

I think if you exclude those 2 days we’re still on a very very slight downward trend, but once every instance adopts the new method it’ll be interesting to see what the trend is after that, it could be that users get tired or posting/commenting and fallback to being lurkers

imaqtpie , (edited )
@imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works avatar

If you look closely, the downward trend actually stopped before the change in stats. We dipped below 33,000 in mid-November, but then started hovering above 33,000 for multiple weeks until the bump.

sir_pronoun ,

Has to be all the yiff here.

FormallyKnown ,

Had to use the reddit app the other day… That people can stand to be on there still is beyond me. I like it here on the fediverse and im not going back

notsorryforpartying ,
@notsorryforpartying@lemmy.world avatar

You can still use old.reddit.com on your preferred browser without the app just fyi

Tilted ,

I go back every now and then. Immediately reminded of why I left.

Whirling_Cloudburst ,

I prefer quality over quantity, but more quality is always welcome. I’m not going back to reddit. The reddit alien is about to become the Borg of the shareholders.

Sine_Fine_Belli ,

Same here unironically

It’s good to see more people moving to lemmy

Bonifratz ,

Here’s a comment for even more activity!

Reverendender ,

Response. RESPONSE!!!

Colorcodedresistor ,

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    Steve ,

    Ho Ho Ho

    Killer_Tree ,

    Merry solstice!

    anonymoose ,
    @anonymoose@lemmy.ca avatar

    LOUD NOISES!

    Spacehooks ,

    This silence offends Slaanesh! More! LOUDER!

    gerdesj ,

    Blimey there’s a name from the past. I remember painting a Citadel Miniature (white metal job) of a demon of Slaanesh. That would have been around 1986-7ish. Four armed thing and looked bloody nasty! That was before Warty-Forty really took off.

    I moulded a little skull out of Milliput, with a tiny snake running in through the base and out of an eye socket. I separated a foot from the base and lifted it up a bit and stuck the skull under it. White metal is quite soft but you have to be careful. I spent quite a while modelling “grass” and such. The grass went from a dead looking green/brown around the demon to normal in a sort of circle of ruin.

    Nowadays my eyesight can barely see a 00 brushes’ bristles, let alone let me use one.

    Sine_Fine_Belli ,

    BASED

    readthemessage ,

    A very late comment for you

    avidamoeba ,
    @avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

    Make those charts explode.

    Sine_Fine_Belli ,

    Yeah! I’m doing my part!

    slym ,
    @slym@lemmy.ca avatar

    Had to comment too, we all have to do our part

    notsofunnycomment ,
    @notsofunnycomment@mander.xyz avatar

    Upwards and onwards!

    devious ,

    We must move forward, not backward, upward, not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!

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