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fediversereport ,
@fediversereport@mastodon.social avatar

Last Week in the Fediverse - ep 23 - An overview of what happened in the fediverse last week

  • Background readings on the
  • News on the threadiverse; new apps in development, custom styles, and more
  • Launch of the spreadmastodon.org website
  • Flickr is “definitely still considering” adding ActivityPub support

@fediverse] Lemmy group]

Read it all at: https://fediversereport.com/the-roundup-episode-23/

deadsuperhero ,
@deadsuperhero@lemmy.ml avatar

Should be unpinned now.

Blaze ,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Thank you!

RookieNerd ,
@RookieNerd@hachyderm.io avatar

@fediverse Let's face it. When talking about the Fediverse, it is very hard to sell interoperability between different types of instances as a major advantage.

SamXavia ,
@SamXavia@kbin.run avatar

@RookieNerd I think most instances have there place when it comes to what users may want there user experience to be like;
Mastodon - a more Twitter / X like experience where you can microblog
PixelFed - a more Instagram like experience where you can share Images without the META data collection
Lemmy - more towards a Reddit like experience
ext.
The good part of the Fediverse is that we can join together through different parts and interact from our own instances (including ones we run ourselves). The main reasons people seem to not want to move over is because they are used to the social media they are already one, the main people they follow don't want to move across and Instances are somewhat confusing at first.

My thoughts are that if META does actually make Threads federate then it will not only open people's mind a bit more when it comes to the Fediverse but maybe other social media's will follow including METAs Instagram and Facebook making it so you no longer have to worry if you are on 'X' website / app instead you just ask for there username and you can chat and see there posts.

root_beer ,
@root_beer@convo.casa avatar

@RookieNerd @fediverse @SamXavia

The specific use case is why I think a reliable, independent review of each is useful.

What differentiates these Lemmy clients:

There are almost as many clients for each of , , , and the rest of the , for a single platform.
Switch platforms, and discover a plethora of other clients.

maegul ,
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

This happened quickly…Lemmy is now the second biggest platform next to mastodon!?!

https://fedidb.org/software

@fediverse
@fediversenews

osma ,
@osma@mas.to avatar

The Big Social score so far:

  • Twitter: burning
  • Reddit: detonated a bomb under itself
  • Meta: rumored to join with a new app
  • YouTube: videos were always 2nd to "native" ones on the other networks, but they could trivially open an firehose (and maintain their preroll ads while doing so)
  • rest of Google: never found organic success and don't have a bet in the game apart from wanting to index everything

No predictions here, just stating the obvious. @fediverse

mrmanager ,
@mrmanager@lemmy.today avatar

I don’t want meta in my fediverse :/

They will grab all non tech users and put them in their walled garden.

jherazob ,
@jherazob@beehaw.org avatar

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. No, we don’t want that, and we definitely don’t want them slurping Fediverse data!

ajsadauskas ,
@ajsadauskas@aus.social avatar

Time for an ICQ for the Fediverse?

Looks like ICQ is finally shutting down, just as interest in retro internet tools is growing.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/25/24164579/icq-shut-down-june

@fediverse

singpolyma ,
@singpolyma@lemmy.ml avatar

Cheogram Android has the send half of URL preview. I will be adding display on the receive side this year when I get the time.

interdimensionalmeme ,

Thanks for suggestion I will try that one

maegul ,
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

UI differences are a big factor in the success/failure of decentralised federation of diverse platforms and content

And this seems a good example: bridged posts onto which has a lower character limit than Mastodon.

So, just like posts on mastodon, you don't get the full content of the post (which ends with an abrupt ellipsis here) and have to take a link to the original platform.

However powerful the underlying protocols, this isn't far from screenshots.

@fediverse

modulus ,

Definitely, AP is not magic. But if even within one protocol round-tripping and full-fidelity is impossible or very difficult, that makes it only harder and less likely through a bridge.

maegul ,
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

Yea a complete protocol to protocol bridge seems far off for sure. But a platform to platform bridge seems to be working fine for the moment (masto-bsky), and that seems a reasonable expectation.

maegul , (edited )
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

The fediverse won’t succeed at putting up a substitute and that’s a problem?

Just an impression: All the pieces seem to be there. But what’s required is a team, with devs, PMs and coordinators, dedicated to making a particular place in the .

That’s resources and decently sized financial and organisational demands, especially to get a critical mass of users.

Is the fediverse up to that challenge? If not, is it an issue worth addressing?

@fediverse

haui_lemmy ,

Amen. Same problem here. But feel free to hit me up if you find someone who wants to do it. I wouldnt mind helping with design stuff since that meeds different skills than coding.

lambalicious ,

Forget federated stackoverflow, give me federated Gardening.StackExchange!

maegul ,
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

Nice demonstration of why mastodon's dominance is problematic

See the conversions here:
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/4628
and
https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/federating-the-content-of-posts-note-articles-and-character-limits/4087

AFAICT, mastodon's decisions, which are arguably problematic (on which see: https://lemmy.ml/post/14973403) are literally trickling down to other platforms and infecting how they federate with each other as they dance around mastodon's quirks in different ways.

It seems like masto is ruining "the standard" with its gravity.


@fediverse

nutomic ,
@nutomic@lemmy.ml avatar

None of that matters if Mastodon doesnt implement these suggestions or standards. And from past experience its extremely unlikely that they will. Thats why I think its best to ignore what Mastodon does, its not our concern how they decide to render things.

Fisch ,
@Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

That’s kind of what I meant too, if there’s a standardised and correct way to implement things, that’s how projects should implement it instead of trying to do it the “Mastodon” way

JustinH ,
@JustinH@twit.social avatar

"We Need To Rewild The Internet"
An absolutely excellent read (and great analogy) by @mariafarrell and @robin Probably the best piece I've read all year.

I often struggle to think of a term for "appearing messy from a distance is often, on a human scale, healthy actually." Comparing the social web to an ecosystem is exactly it.

https://www.noemamag.com/we-need-to-rewild-the-internet/

@fediverse

Valmond ,

Interesting!

I poked around in the (slightly verbose) documentation and stumbled onto this:

Servers should not re-use URIs, regardless of the mechanism by which resources are created. Certain specific cases exist where URIs may be reinstated when it identifies the same resource,

So I wonder if it has the same inbuilt limitation that IPFS has, which means you cannot just update the data you are sharing, without also having to create a whole new link (I know IPFS are trying to work around that, but have seen no decentralised solution yet).

I’ll poke around some more!

Thanks for the link, I hadn’t heard of them before.

Cheers

Valmond ,

Now this is interesting, I know about Tor ofc, with all problems surrounding it (exit nodes etc) but I guess an onion website could be made well protected and shared & updated. You have to host it yourself though I guess.

Freenet, gotta dig down and see how it works under the surface, it looks very promising but it’s kind of complex and I haven’t yet figured out if it is all benevolent sharing for example and what happend if some random node sharing your stuff goes offline.

Very interesting!

I think (I’ll dig more to see if it stands) my advantage would be the redundancy (so the data always stays up and is hard to take down), the no need of benevolent nodes, and potentially the ease if use.

Thanks!

maegul , (edited )
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

Reflecting on the firefish/calckey "moment"

which was about a year ago now, I can't help but suspect it was a small event with wider implications on the dominance of in the

I think it was the last chance to direct the twitter migration energy into discovering new/different fedi platforms.

And it was blown, with alt-social in a weird steady/waiting state that's smaller I suspect, than what many hoped for.

@fediverse

cntd: https://hachyderm.io/@maegul/112358202238795371

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Subversivo ,

Sorry anout the delay. The siteis iceshrimp.net

maegul ,
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

Huh. Thanks!!

andrew ,
@andrew@andrew.masto.host avatar

Mastodon establishes non-profit in the US, while Germany revokes their nonprofit status

https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2024/04/mastodon-forms-new-u.s.-non-profit/

@fediverse

poVoq ,
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

while Germany revokes their nonprofit status

For unknown reasons, and those tax authorities are pretty well know for revoking it wrongly.

maegul ,
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

People are actually on BlueSky

There's now a decent measurement of user numbers (https://bskycharts.edavis.dev/edavis.dev/bskycharts.edavis.dev/bsky_users_total.html) ...

They've got about 1.6M MAUs ...
& 0.8M Weekly unique users & 0.340M Daily.

That's not nothing!

Roughly double mastodon and 60% more than the whole fediverse (by MAUs, see fedidb.org).

Bluesky is quite "international" with large Japanese and Brazilian popltns, and there's real attrition happening IMO.

Still, let the protocol wars begin I suppose?

@fediverse

mima ,

@halm Diaspora only federates with Friendica (because the latter has diaspora protocol support). Friendica doesn't have its "own protocol", it uses ActivityPub with its own proprietary extensions IIRC.

Corgana ,
@Corgana@startrek.website avatar

I meant links to instances not owned by the main company. Are there any?

maegul ,
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

Plugins for fediverse platforms.

Where is this up to? Is anyone thinking along these lines?

I've seen @db0 espouse such (eg https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/8581651) (sorry for the tag if annoying).

I've certainly thought of it myself ... because it's a pretty obvious idea for an ecosystem aiming for richness and sustainability.

Seems a perfect fit for reusable moderation tooling too, rather than each new platforms having that trouble.

This is essentially 's idea it seems.

@fediverse

db0 ,
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Year, tone down the smug “prs accepted”, mate. You’re just toxic

Die4Ever ,
@Die4Ever@programming.dev avatar

When it comes to moderation tooling I’m honestly a little confused that there isn’t more work or noise around a developing a sideloaded tool.

Yeah we just need volunteers to dedicate their time to it. But it’s a lot easier to complain than it is to contribute.

andrew ,
@andrew@andrew.masto.host avatar

Nomadic Identity is Coming to ActivityPub
https://wedistribute.org/2024/03/activitypub-nomadic-identity/
@fediverse

yo_scottie_oh ,

Repost.

maegul ,
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

Mastodon CVE Report

Didn't expect the mastodon CVE report/account would kinda end up being about platform diversity on the fediverse (TLDR: only mastodon really had the problem, which was huge)

https://arcanican.is/excerpts/cve-2024-23832/discovery.htm

@fediverse

maegul OP ,
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

@skullgiver

The point though is that not all platforms had the problem, which means platform diversity would have lessened the significance.

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