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Harbinger01173430 , in Have we been able to reproduce the conditions to bend rocks? (Even if in a lab.)

You mean you can’t do earth bending? Skill issue

GnomeKat , in Have we been able to reproduce the conditions to bend rocks? (Even if in a lab.)
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Yes… can even make a slinky…

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h3r4BUFES0

remotelove OP , (edited )
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That is actually more of an illusion that is exploiting any bit of natural flexibility over a given length.

If you took a circle of rock that is 30cm in diameter, cut it into a spiral at a width of 5mm, you get a length of rock that is now about 14m, but in a coil.

So, if the material had a flex of 1mm per half meter, you would see a total deviation of about 28mm from end to end. The “illusion” part is that while it’s only flexing a small amount, you can see the entire range of flex at once.

It’s still a spring, but it hasn’t actually been significantly bent or reformed. Also, it’s still really cool.

neptune , in Have we been able to reproduce the conditions to bend rocks? (Even if in a lab.)

Creep is the mechanism you refer to. Yes absolutely scientists can replicate creep in the lab. You too can at home by leaving butter on the counter and watching it bend under its own weight at room temperature after a few days.

At about 1/2 or 2/3 of the melting temp and above, materials start to behave kind of funny.

CanadaPlus ,

Are you aware of any examples using a common rock, specifically?

neptune ,

No

remotelove OP , (edited )
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The glass transition temperature of quartz is 1200°C, and according to the charts I could find, is outside crust and upper mantle temperature ranges. (That is just based on averages, I believe. Heat from friction may be in a different category.)

Edit: The melting temperature is ~1700°C. It probably starts to get malleable around 1200°C. I was confused about the term “glass transition” due to some of my hobbies and likely does not apply.

Other silicon-type rocks (like gypsum; opposed to quartz) have wildly different glass transition temperatures in the 200°C range. That seems feasible to bend in a lab and could be in-scope.

Still, quartz can fold: researchgate.net/…/a-to-c-Folded-quartz-veins-wit…

I think that creep is not the same as folding but the two conditions could easily be related?

(I am just regurgitating data points I have only just found and there is probably much more to this.)

CanadaPlus ,

Hmm. I’m going to have to look up how you model glass bending, if that’s how it works. I wonder if you could do this in a garage setting, even. I’m not surprised a calcium mineral is less resistant to it, they seen less hardcore in general or something.

remotelove OP , (edited )
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Glass is a weird one since it’s an amorphous solid.

Excuse, me though. I might be mixing up my definition of “glass transition”. It’s a term used for plastics (and other amorphous solids) when they start to becomes malleable.

In the above case, I think I tried to apply it to quartz which is incorrect. The temperature ranges are still in the ball park of my intent.

giriinthejungle , in Do we have any theories as to why complex life eventually started requiring various metal elements as micronutrients?

Also, metals can easily accommodate varying number of electrons in the electron shells of their atoms and still be stable. That makes them very good to quickly store and release electrons which means they can help say transfer molecules around (iron for transport of gasses), scavenge free radicals (e.g. manganese) etc.

wahming , in Have we been able to reproduce the conditions to bend rocks? (Even if in a lab.)

Do rocks bend? Pretty sure they just melt, that’s where lava comes from.

remotelove OP ,
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Rocks bend and it’s mind boggling to see the scale that it can happen at.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fold_(geology)

In these cases the rock may be hot, but it’s not molten. I was even just reading that many rocks will not have any internal stresses from being bent because of the forces and the time that is involved.

wahming ,

Neat!

CanadaPlus ,

Nope. The mantle is mostly solid. It’s just so huge and, under intense pressure and heat, bendy, that it still facilitates moving continents and ocean plates.

CanadaPlus , in Do we have any theories as to why complex life eventually started requiring various metal elements as micronutrients?

I’m guessing the main reason is “why not”. It’s in the environment, and one day some critter mutated a new process that involved it.

It’s not just complex life, either. Bacteria use all kinds of strange elements in various enzymes and complexes.

FireTower , in Have we been able to reproduce the conditions to bend rocks? (Even if in a lab.)
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CanadaPlus , (edited )

Neat! That’s a very specific, chain-like example, though, so not really in the spirit of the question even if correct to the letter. I’m also not sure what it does in the actual plastic deformation regime.

cymbal_king , in Do we have any theories as to why complex life eventually started requiring various metal elements as micronutrients?

Metal ions can perform interesting chemical reactions that organic molecules cannot. A positively charge metal ion can also naturally bind to negatively charged proteins. So the organisms that more successfully took advantage of these chemical reactions reproduced more effectively than the organisms that didn’t.

amio , in This is probably a dumb question, but if we eliminate the hydrophobia caused by rabies, would it increase the survival rate of active rabies?

No. Rabies is destroying neurons, causing the symptoms. The hydrophobia is not literal fear of water (like phobias so often aren't) but a result of your brain being fried to the point where you have issues swallowing. If it were an issue of hydration, just IV fluids would be a given, and you would probably want IV access anyway.

Not a doctor or anything, though.

count_of_monte_carlo , in This is probably a dumb question, but if we eliminate the hydrophobia caused by rabies, would it increase the survival rate of active rabies?

The Milwaukee Protocol is a treatment plan that is essentially a more advanced version of what you’re asking. The patient is put in a medically induced coma and then given antivirals and IV fluids, which avoids the issue of hydrophobia.

It got a lot of press because one person survived on it (a big deal given that rabies is a death sentence once symptoms appear) but this success hasn’t been reproduced with other patients. A paper on the protocol has a remarkably blunt title: Critical Appraisal of the Milwaukee Protocol for Rabies: This Failed Approach Should Be Abandoned.

A_Random_Idiot ,

and didnt they use it on that girl that survived cause she didnt report the bite until it was too late, so it was either try something dangerously crazy like Mulwaukee Protocol, or just die miserably?

rudyharrelson ,

I guess whether this protocol should be abandoned, rather than iterated on to improve its chances of success, to me, depends on the effect the coma has on the patient's quality of life while the protocol is attempted. It's arguably more humane to put someone in a medically induced coma while they're still sane. If the protocol fails, the patient is at least not conscious while their brain is deteriorating.

I'm gonna go watch House.

PrincessLeiasCat ,

It seems like this would be the most humane way to “treat” it, but maybe I’m missing something?

Dogyote ,

Critical Appraisal of the Milwaukee Protocol for Rabies: This Failed Approach Should Be Abandoned

Well you got a better idea?

I looked, and they don’t.

xkforce ,

Yes. Get vaccinated before symptoms appear. If you don’t, you are almost guaranteed to die no matter what intervention is attempted.

GluWu ,

We should make a new protocol where if you didn’t get the vaccine, we just fucking kill you.

catloaf , in This is probably a dumb question, but if we eliminate the hydrophobia caused by rabies, would it increase the survival rate of active rabies?

Unlikely. Rabies kills by infecting brain cells. This means they’re converted into virus factories instead of doing brain things. That also causes swelling as an immune response, which further damages the brain. Both of these result in coma and death. Eliminating hydrophobia and increasing water consumption would not really help treat an infection (at least any more than treating any infection, which is to say, not very much on its own).

j4k3 , (edited ) in Is climate change affecting weather forecasting?
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Late but… The USA failed to regulate 5G well enough. It would have forced telecoms to use steeper frequently filters that are more accurate like what is used in the rest of the responsible world. The 5G frequency band butts up against the hydrogen band used by weather satellites. (IIRC) The study that the FCC commissioned said something like a failure to isolate and protect the hydrogen line would set back US weather forecasting accuracy to around the level it was in 1970. As usual, the red jihadist party had absolutely no qualms about such a technological setback, took their political bribes, and failed to regulate to protect the hydrogen line. In their defense, radio is magic, and sky wizard didn’t have any objections via thoughts and prayers.

RozhkiNozhki OP ,
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Interesting, thank you!

j4k3 , in What is going on with that atmosphere/light around the rocket in this photo?
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You are seeing the exhaust plume while it is still dense enough to reflect enough light from the sun.

There are several massive thermal layers in the atmosphere that effectively make isolation barriers at various heights. That is why the exhaust on the left appears unique in structure within a certain boundary. The upper layers of the atmosphere get really hot before getting really cold again. Like commercial jets fly in the cold part, but it gets hot, then cold above that. The rocket plume on the right is in that upper cold region; the outer most puffy/sparse/low Earth orbit region. You can tell because of how enormous the exhaust plume is expanding when there is very little atmospheric pressure to contain it.

There is very little atmosphere way up there and certainly not enough to produce Rayleigh scattering. If there was enough to produce Rayleigh scattering the exhaust plume would be hard to see with very little contrast against the background, but without, it makes a much higher contrast view against the mostly empty void of LEO space.

BackOnMyBS OP ,
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so what’s the light reflecting off of?? ice? vapor? something else?

j4k3 ,
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Exhaust products and a small amount of either O^2^ or unburnt. IIRC SpaceX is a fuel rich cycle, so mostly +unburned fuel.

Think of it kinda like you’re seeing an isolated atmosphere made by the rocket suspended in a place nearly without atmosphere. It is like a cloud of atmosphere in space where there is no atmosphere.

It’s mostly in the sun which is super hot without the filter of an atmosphere and how it buffers temperature. As soon is the particles are below the shadow of the Earth, they get super cold and likely freeze.

The rocket is clearly not at orbital velocity yet and that stuff is going backwards fast, so it will all deorbit fairly quickly.

You’re not seeing turbulent flow quite like what happens on the ground or what is seen in other parts of the exhaust plume because there is not very much pressure in the surrounding region to create the Eddy currents that make the mixing/chaotic flow patterns seen within another medium. I don’t think it is entirely linear flow, but it is much closer to linear flow than what happens in a thick atmosphere.

catloaf , in What is going on with that atmosphere/light around the rocket in this photo?

It’s a space jellyfish!

No, really, that’s the name for that phenomenon: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_jellyfish

wargreymon2023 , in What liquids have the lowest refraction?

Sounds like some sort of oil🤔

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