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rbn ,

If someone offers the slimmest phone, I have some doubts regarding structural integrity. Especially, the way I (unintentionally) often treat my phone, it’ll probably bend or break within weeks.

limerod OP ,

But, this one offers Military grade certification for durability. This should be better than other slim smartphones.

rbn , (edited )

Is that a protected term where you live? In Germany a lot of products, including the cheapest and crappiest ones, are advertised as military grade and that doesn’t give any indication on quality or durability.

e.g. https://sopuli.xyz/pictrs/image/c4ffa0d1-9385-4db3-bbe8-60040fb48ecc.webp

Honytawk ,

What? The slimmest?

That certainly is a feature everyone cares about.

/s

Ilandar ,

It’s a point of difference in a segment of the market where phones are often thick and heavy.

1984 ,
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The performance of phones are almost irrelevant these days for most people. What matters is how they look, their battery time and if they have a good user experience without forced shitty apps.

Being slim is nice too because why not. :)

Olap ,

But no sd card, or changeable battery, or audio jack. Vote with your wallets. I like moto G series, but edge lines are terrible

Inui , (edited )

Sorry to say, I don’t care about any of those things. And neither do most other people. Changable batteries, maybe, for the environment. But I’ve never used a phone long enough for this to matter because unoptimized software starts crippling phones after 4 years anyway. I also barely use 128gb, so an SD card isn’t important. The Bluetooth delay on headphones can get a little annoying but I strongly prefer it to dealing with wires.

I’m one of the annoying Linux advocates on Lemmy so I know how it is, but the things you listed are unfortunately becoming more niche expectations, despite how much they come up here and on https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/a95d010c-0c4d-4162-a610-1c8a3524baf6.png

Larger battery capacity and fast charging though? Yes, please. I got a new OnePlus with 100W charging and will never go back to 35 or whatever my previous phone was at. This having 68 is a good middle ground.

Ilandar ,

Changable batteries, maybe, for the environment. But I’ve never used a phone long enough for this to matter because unoptimized software starts crippling phones after 4 years anyway.

This is absolute bollocks. Unless you are buying dogshit budget phones, they all continue to run fine after 4 years. I have phones from 2017 and 2018 that continue to operate without major issue today. Until very recently most Android phones weren’t even receiving feature updates beyond 4 years so I suspect you’ve just completely fabricated this story to justify your upgrades.

Inui ,

Yeah sure, I’m lying for no reason on this niche internet forum. I DID have dogshit budget phones, so there ya go. Even this OnePlus 12 is objectively worse since the last month I got it because their latest ColorOS update did something that reduced battery life and added a delay when switching apps. Many people are reporting it.

Ilandar ,

People lie to themselves all the time to justify wasteful consumerism.

Inui ,

I just gave you an example of what I was talking about. https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/4908b54a-de5d-458b-8242-93fc03731f9f.png

Ilandar ,

The OnePlus 12 was released less than a year ago. It has 3 1/2 years of software changes ahead of it. You are proving my point here by implying a 7 month old phone needs to be replaced after a single bad update.

Inui ,

I’m kinda tired of this back and forth because I never said it needs replaced. It’s an example of how manufacturers push out updates that can make your phone objectively worse at any time. Yes, they will probably fix this. If they do it again in 3 years, they might just not bother and you’re stuck on whatever they pushed out before support ended. There is no custom ROM support for this phone and no guarantee there will be.

Ilandar ,

That’s not what you said originally:

unoptimized software starts crippling phones after 4 years

So you admit that age is not actually the relevant factor here? Your complaint is bad updates, not the age of a device. And if bad updates are the problem, which you admitted they aren’t for you when you said you’d “never used a phone long enough for this to matter” then your claim that replaceable batteries are irrelevant is also nonsensical. It’s as I suspected: you’ve concocted some weird fictional narrative as a coping mechanism for the cognitive dissonance that comes with repeatedly replacing phones that are absolutely fine.

Inui ,

Alright let me just fetch my Moto G4 Play with 2GB of RAM.

Ilandar ,

Nice try, but that’s a) a dogshit budget phone and b) one that is 8 years old, not 4.

BearOfaTime ,

One phone in my family is a 2017 2018 flagship, and people are amazed how snappy it is (they don’t know it’s from 2018).

Its running a fork of Lineage, with 2 or 3gb of ram (I forget). Because it’s so optimized, even with a bunch of apps (~200), it’s fast and battery does pretty well.

Old phones can run fine, but they have to be managed to do so.

Edit: 2018 flagship.

Ilandar ,

Yeah, LineageOS can definitely help a lot. I have a Redmi Note 4X from 2017 with 3 GB RAM and a Snapdragon 625. It was fine running an older version of MIUI despite being a budget phone, but after switching to LineageOS it runs even better. But to be honest you don’t even need a lighter ROM like LineageOS if the phone was a good one at release. I also have a Galaxy Note 9 from 2018 which is running stock and that still feels great despite how heavy OneUI is. Often these older devices just need a reset to clear out all the junk that accumulates over years of use.

I think the questions over whether some newer phones can handle five or even seven Android version upgrades are valid, since that has never been attempted before (though I still like to see those commitments). But that is very different to saying every phone until now has magically turned terrible after 4 years, when it’s likely only running a version of Android that is, at most, two above what it started with.

AbidanYre ,

I don’t even really care about fast charging. As long it can fully charge while I’m asleep I don’t care if it takes all night.

Inui ,

I had some older Pixels that would be at 5% with battery saver on by the time I’d get home some days while traveling. It’s really nice to be able to full charge in like 20 min or top off 10% with a real short charge while you’re on the go or on the way out the door. For sure depends on your use though.

limerod OP ,

Yeah, it’s unfortunate sdcard is not a staple feature in higher midrange and flagship smartphones.

User replaceable batteries may make a comeback due to EU regulation.

1984 ,
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I have an edge 30 pro and I’m super happy with it. There is no bloatware at all, default android experience, and great battery time.

I tend to recommend Motorola to people who care about those things.

limerod OP ,

How are the thermals? I hear they have heating issues due to their slim profile.

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