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Postmortal_Pop ,

I’m gonna put this as simple as I can:

I can’t be asked to worry about other nations when mine is actively working to kill me.

She can take her stance for the folk that have time and money, but I’m not gonna worry about a cancer risk while in getting mauled by a bear.

HomerianSymphony ,

Kamala just made a statement about Israel an hour ago.

You can watch here: youtu.be/O7DgUtYuEAs

HomerianSymphony , (edited )

My impressions: The tone is good. She opens by saying she has had a “frank” conversation with Netanyahu, and she’s says it in a stern voice, which makes it sound like she intends to be tough with him.

But as for the substance of the speech… well, it sounds like she grasps the horrors of what Israel is doing in Gaza. But she also doesn’t say that the US is going to do anything about it.

Doesn’t say that she’s willing to put pressure on Netanyahu or Israel. Certainly doesn’t say that they’ll stop shipping weapons. (Actually, the opposite. She says she’ll continue to ensure that Israel can defend itself from Hamas, which sounds like it means weapons.)

She wants the ceasefire to be agreed to, but doesn’t identify Israel as the holdout. Doesn’t say that the US will do anything more than hold conversations and not look away. It all sounds like more of the same of what we’ve had for fifty-seven years.

I realize that she is currently just the VP in Biden’s administration, and probably can’t change the administration’s policies. So maybe we can’t expect anything more than a change of tone at this point.

But if Israel were any other country, there would be talk of sanctions and the need for “regime change”.

HomerianSymphony , (edited )

Australia recently announced that they’ll be denying entry to any Israelis identified as settlers in the West Bank.

I’d love to hear Kamala even hint that the US would be willing to take small measures like that. At least it would be something.

Sanctus , (edited )
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As I said on the other post of this, we are fighting each other when we should be burning down Citizens United and marking bribery as it is instead of calling it lobbying. Make that shit illegal, turn Citizens United into fertilizer, and your politicians will begin to match their constituency.

aubeynarf ,

Right on. Ignore wedge-drivers.

PP_BOY_ ,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

Remember, when they said “Never again,” they just meant “Never again shall antisemitism be tolerated.” They do not care at all about ethnic cleansings and outright celebrate the ones that protect this ideology.

Almost every western government feels guilt over the Holocaust that they’ve all bent over to protect the Israeli state against anything that could even be interpreted as possibly, maybe, being antisemitism.

nullpotential ,
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You should post this to a different instance. Lemmy.world is incapable of facing criticism of the democratic establishment.

ccunning ,

Things she condemned in this statement:

  • Hamas and associates
  • Burning of the US Flag

Things she didn’t condemn in this statement:

  • Anti-genocide protestors
  • Israel
  • Palestine
aubeynarf ,

Can you link to the original?

ccunning ,

whitehouse.gov/…/statement-by-vice-president-kama…

FlashMobOfOne ,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

And Harris is supposed to be our big, blue protector from the fascists?

Bye ,

Only the ones at home. We’ve been friendly with some of them abroad since the country was founded.

PP_BOY_ ,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

From the American fascists, yes. The US has always cozied up to foreign dictators over legitimate democracies. It’s much easier to exercise your will on a country when you know it’s only being run by a handful of individuals.

Bye ,

You guys know that she has no choice, right? If she does literally anything else, you get president trump. Have fun with that shit.

Linkerbaan OP ,
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She’s forced to condemn anti-Genocide protesters?

I’m quite sure that Democrats with slightly milder takes on israel have managed to become president in the past. Excluding Biden of course.

Bye ,

How many of them after October 7th? The narrative is different now for the average person.

ganksy ,
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Not going to happen in this political environment. You can have plausible deniability like this carefully worded document focusing on Hamas instead of the blatant genocide of Palestinians or certain genocide from a trump admin. Donors become much less relevant after an election.

FlashMobOfOne ,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

It’s been a few days and already the excuses are flying.

nokturne213 ,

I had much higher hopes for her.

HomerianSymphony ,

Misleading title. This statement doesn’t actually say she supports Israel, fully or otherwise.

You might (somewhat reasonably) infer that from this statement, but it isn’t made clear, and to say that she is clarifying that she supports Israel is a mischaracterization.

Linkerbaan OP ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah she just condemns all protests against israel committing Genocide. What could that possibly mean.

Even includeds some nice Hasbara about Hamas vowing to kill all the Jews. Lying for israel is always a good time.

alquicksilver ,
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You may not realize this, but you can be against Israel’s genocide of innocent Palestinians without supporting Hamas - which is also pro-genocide, just of Jews.

It doesn’t have to be either/or. You can condemn awful people/groups/governments all around.

givesomefucks ,

You can condemn awful people/groups/governments all around.

Where has Kamala condemned Israel?

She still has to pay off the AIPAC money that get her into the Senate.

She won’t be as bad as Joe, but she’s already been bought and this statement after meeting with Bibi isn’t a very good indication of how she’ll govern.

alquicksilver ,
@alquicksilver@lemmy.world avatar

My use of “you” was specific to the user to whom I was replying, not Harris. The user to whom I was replying implied that saying Hamas has a goal to kill Jews is a lie; it is not.

HomerianSymphony ,

Even includeds some nice Hasbara about Hamas vowing to kill all the Jews.

She didn’t quite say that either.

While I agree that there’s a common unhelpful myth that Hamas want to exterminate the Jews, and that Harris might be invoking that, she didn’t actually say they vow to “kill all Jews”.

She said “kill Jews”, not “kill all Jews”. (And I think it’s fair of her to say that, because they did just kill a thousand Jews in a terrorist attack in October.)

HomerianSymphony , (edited )

For people who don’t know, Hamas’s goal is for Jews and Palestinians to live in a unified single state (probably an Islamic one) called Palestine, where Arabs are the dominant group and Jews are a protected minority. (They want the return of 4 million Palestinian refugees to Palestine, which would make Jews a minority.)

(Obviously that would be unacceptable to the Jews, who feel that they need a Jewish-majority state for their own safety, but that’s besides the point now.)

Hence, Hamas want the elimination of Israel, but not the elimination of Jews. I think it’s unfortunate that this has so regularly been twisted into the claim that Hamas wants to eliminate the Jews.

They’ve also indicated that they might be open to compromising and negotiating a two-state solution. And yet, the claim that they want to eliminate the Jews has been used as an excuse to not negotiate with them.

Anyway, none of this matters now. Now that Hamas have committed a massive terrorist attack, there’s no way that anyone can negotiate with them.

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