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glitchdx ,

I wonder which will happen first: I’ll quit watching youtube because the platform becomes too much of a pain in the ass for me to bother with, or I’ll quit watching youtube because of how difficult it is to find content I actually want to watch.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve got a few Patreon shows that host video content on YouTube, but because they’re directly linked and not monetized through YouTube they’re pretty friendly to visit.

I do need a better way to find streamable music. YouTube Music has been a miserable experience, but it has the largest library short of Spotify, which is also miserable.

LinusSexTips ,

I found YTM to have more niche music selections vs Spotify.

You could always try plexamp if you want to self-host.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Functionally it works (barring technical difficulties)

But it means building up a large personal library, when what I’d prefer is a browsable public music library.

capital ,

As soon as YT started blocking blockers, I created a new Firefox profile with only Bitwarden (just need that everywhere) and uBlock Origin ONLY. Using that has never failed me once this whole time.

When I forget to access YT through my special profile (and therefore only utilize those two plugins) I do see errors. I assume this is due to either uMatrix, AdNauseum or some combination of the two.

hertg ,

Unprompted pro tip: I started running ytdl-sub on my server, added the channels I’m interested in, and now I watch youtube on my personal mediaserver and dont even open the youtube page/app anymore. Because I already know this shit is only gonna get more annoying as time moves on, and especially after the silicon valley growth imperative collapses in on itself. Let’s hope we’ll have ytdl working for long enough.

You can even configure it to download videos a few days later, after sponsorblock info has been submitted, then it also cuts that out. And you can set it to only keep the last {n} videos if you just intend to watch recent stuff and not keep an archive. It even works for non-youtube. I added Neo Magazine Royale from ZDF Mediathek, and it just worked (shout out to the germans who know what that is)

Cons: I don’t get yt recommendations Pros: I don’t get yt recommendations

But I still find good new stuff via other feeds, so 🤷‍♂️

FIST_FILLET ,

oh no, anyway now you have more time to watch stuff that people put actual talent into like movies and tv shows and documentaries (this is a jab at youtube in general and not this specific video)

AngryMob ,

Theres plenty of high quality content on youtube though. You gotta wade through wall to wall youtube cringe to find it, but once you got a list of good subs, that problem disappears. The idea that youtube is solely garbage low effort content is so outdated

rozodru ,
@rozodru@lemmy.ca avatar

just wait a bit for ublock to update their scrips/feed then it’ll work again.

happens to me every now and again, at least on windows, but then I switched to linux and it just stopped happening. Hell I don’t even get ads on Twitch anymore when I would all the time regardless of what extentions I used on windows.

lawrence OP ,

Interestingly, I am having this problem on Linux. EndeavourOS. It’s a rolling release distro, so probably a new “cutting-edge” browser feature broke the ad blockers.

rozodru ,
@rozodru@lemmy.ca avatar

which browser are you using on it?

Daxtron2 ,

using uBlock Origin in Firefox or Vivaldi

FlashMobOfOne ,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

Switch over to Brave browser. Its native adblock works better than uBlock anyway.

lightnsfw ,

I was getting a “this video is private, log in to watch it” banner on everything yesterday with Brave. The videos still played but I wonder if it’s related to OPs issue.

Lumisal ,
  1. it does not
  2. the crypto bro scam browser I will l would now trust less than Chrome after that whole debacle

Edit: oh and the homophobia too, and I think there’s one other thing

orcrist ,

It’s an interesting situation. YouTube needs us more than we need YouTube.

Nelots ,

Unfortunately, that really doesn’t seem to be true. YT is a monopoly, they do what they want. None of my friends use Firefox, despite me telling them that ad blockers still work on it. They could spend 3 minutes switching to Firefox and losing some of the niche features they have on Opera GX or whatever they hell they use, or they could just watch the occasional 5-second ad. They just don’t care enough. I imagine most users are more than likely like that.

Honytawk ,

I switched over to FreeTube for all my Youtube needs.

Lets see if Google can break that one.

madcaesar ,

“Violate Terms of Service” 😂 such agressive language for not wanting to watch endless ads for 2 min videos.

Get fucked.

rbesfe ,

Violate is standard legal language for breaking a contract or agreement

riplin ,

YouTube violates MY terms of service when it abuses my network infrastructure and resources to download data I did not request.

hellfire103 ,

Datura Network’s Invidious instance has a rotating IP, so it’s considerably harder for Google to block it.

Andromxda ,
@Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Every Invidious or Piped instance could easily implement IPv6 rotation, the smart-ipv6-rotator is fully FOSS and easy to set up. Invidious and Piped both have official documentation on how to set it up:
docs.invidious.io/ipv6-rotator/
docs.piped.video/docs/self-hosting/-rotator-…

Cornelius_Wangenheim ,

Still works for me with a combination of Firefox, uBlock and a VPN. I assume sharing an IP with thousands of other people screws up their detection algorithm.

hahattpro ,

Try Brave browser. It work

rustyfish ,
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

Yup. Brave works great on iPhone, too. PiP, no ads, even downloads work fine. And thanks to Airdrop I can watch ad free on TV.

Until yesterday I had a cheap Premium subscription going on but YouTube cancelled it because they found out I don’t live in Asia. Like fuck, it’s not about the money. 5? Maybe 6 or 7? That would have been fine by me. But 20 fucking bucks a month for that? Yeah, nah. Either fix your prices or I will continue to look for workarounds.

Andromxda ,
@Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Yattee with this guide is another good option for iOS, iPadOS and tvOS (you could also use it on macOS, but I prefer FreeTube or just using Piped or Invidious in the browser). It’s also fully open source: github.com/yattee/yattee

rustyfish ,
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

Nice! Thank you very much!

I am already tinkering with my options and I will certainly try this out as soon as I make it home.

decivex ,

Shame about the crypto bs and homophobia though.

remer ,

Homophobia? I missed that. What happened?

decivex ,

Brendan Eich founded Brave after being booted from Mozilla over his opposition to same-sex marriage.

Jimbo ,
@Jimbo@yiffit.net avatar

Browsers be homophobic now? Wild times

Andromxda ,
@Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Not the browser itself, but the CEO of the company that develops it. (He used to work at Mozilla, but had to resign because of his homophobic actions) cnet.com/…/mozilla-ceo-eich-resigns-after-controv…

Jimbo ,
@Jimbo@yiffit.net avatar

Yea I know, it was a joke

IsThisAnAI ,

I can’t help but laugh with this post in this sub.

Paying for media content is somehow dystopian 🤣

OHHHH GOD NO! YT WON’T LET ME FREELOAD CONTENT, I’M BEING ACCOSTED!

madcaesar ,

Google cornered the video market and killed all competition by mining all of our data and selling it for years.

Now that they are too big to fail they want to turn around and extort us all. The price for premium is NOT reasonable.

This isn’t some mom and pop company trying to serve videos. They abused their size and are now abusing it again.

And the fact that there’s people like you defending them is a problem. We have to fight the mega corp and the bootlickers in our ranks.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Wait, how did they kill all competition by mining our data? Because they could do things cheaper than compwtitors, or…?

madcaesar ,

The literarily made money off our backs by selling our privacy. Using those I’ll-gotten gians they pushed out the competition.

They didn’t do things “cheaper” they just stole from all of us and now they want more money on top.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

You seem like you’re getting distracted here. I’m asking about the claim about them killing off competition by stealing our data. Can you go into more detail on how that worked, how the stealing of our data killed off the competition?

Nindelofocho ,

I can probably help with some of the explanation on this. Not necessarily the data stealing side of things but definitely how they killed off competition. Youtube operated at a loss for a looong time while providing a stable and well functioning platform where creators could make a decent amount of money this resulted in year over year userbase growth. This not only made it harder for other platforms to break into the market as no creator would want to spend time making content on a platform with less users but also the other platforms did not have the capital behind them to operate at such a loss so they die out or they get purchased by google/youtube for a bargain and get shut down. Now youtubes userbase is so captive that they are pretty much free to essentially abuse their users almost as much as they want because as a viewer theres not really any other platform out there that has the creators you watch and as a creator theres no platform thatll get you enough views to be sustainable. Its a cycle that has to be kicked off by something big like youtube going down because thats the only way users are going to migrate.

You kind of see something similar with big box stores, companies moving into areas or even just gas stations. Big gas station companies arent in the gas business, they are in the real estate and convenience store business. They often sell gas at a loss even though they have their own fuel logistics supply chain. Other stations who rely on income from fuel sales and less so convenience sales struggle because they cant secure the selection in the store and dont have their own fuel logistics. Many go belly up unless they have something unique that keeps people coming in like restaurants or a unique drink selection. Once most if not all the local stores go out of business then the big store prices rise and the consumer is abused.

Google has stated that theyve operated youtube at a loss for a very long time but (and this is my speculation) its been done intentionally to edge out the competition and retain sympathy from its userbase to justify the abuse. Youtube is making massive revenue but they are spending it. If google/alphabet didnt see it as a profit stream it would have been killed a long time ago. My theory is they are sorta playing the game from both sides and overspending on overhead and padding the execs wallets more and more just to tell investors and shareholders that while revenue has increased, so has overhead/labor/etc just to take home their own fat paycheck while also milking their userbase for as much as they can. At some point its gunna break but execs have already made out on their goods. Yes video hosting and platform development is expensive but I do believe youtube is not spending most of its money there and that it doesent need all the overhead spending think of how crappy their content review system is. Nothing gets seen by a human except in very specific circumstances

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Ok, thanks. So because they were subsidizing video costs by selling out data.

That’s what I meant when I said “cheaper” and he pushed back, but maybe that wasn’t clear enough.

I’m curious if there’s data for how much this was a factor, vs the traditional “giant company with deep pockets is willing to fund at a loss to grow market share” situation.

Either way, I probably understand what he meant now which is what I was after, thanks.

ZeroHora ,
@ZeroHora@lemmy.ml avatar

At the same time they are enforcing the ban on adblocks they are creating solutions for sponsor blocks to skip the ads that actually bring some money to youtube creators.

Funny how the paying for media content works, you can pay youtube but not the creator of that content, the creator himself gets next to nothing if the youtube algorithm doesn’t favour the content. Not a boring dystopia at all.

Honytawk ,

I wouldn’t mind paying, if they didn’t took away my right to privacy and stopped scraping all of my devices like freaking malware. Even if you don’t use any of their services.

As long as they do that, I feel no remorse not paying for their content.

Nindelofocho ,

You’re minimizing the abuse. Used to be fine with ads when it was 1-2 max but then it got abusive and greedy. Someone who yells at you once or twice may just be angry, upset, or so on. Someone who yells at you constantly is abusive

IsThisAnAI ,

I can’t honestly believe you just equated more ads on TV to abuse.

Nindelofocho ,

Gaslighting is another way people justify abuse

IsThisAnAI ,

I don’t think that term means what you think it means.

SendMePhotos ,

Just go to yewtu.be same thing. No ads, no tracking or analyzing you.

madcaesar ,

Google foiled again by the yews!! 😂

Tregetour ,
@Tregetour@lemdro.id avatar

Ad blockers assert your belief in the web browser as user agent, not server agent

  • We know you’re using an ad blocker. How dare you.
  • Alphabet’s cross-subsidy, and the political value of controlling the Overton window, allows Youtube to remain publicly accessible.
  • You can get double-penetrated with Youtube Premium, first on the subscription fee then on the usage analytics.
Jimbo ,
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Triple penetrated, many YouTube Premium features don’t even work properly.

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