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Urist , to world in We are running out of time to build defences against Russia, warns Norway's commander in chief
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AFAIK Norway is the only nation bordering Russia that has never once in history been at war with it. This asstwat and other military men have been on Norwegian national media crying for more funds after the invasion of Ukraine. One has to see this in context of Norway having underfunded their military for some time and historically being subjugated by Denmark and Sweden. However, long story short, it is just fear mongering. Russia poses no credible threat to Norway with the backing of NATO.

FarceOfWill ,

You don’t think there’s a risk of NATO losing the us if trump wins?

NATO in the EU needs to be ready to step up

Urist ,
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I would still be much more worried about the Baltic states being invaded. Even so, there is a reason no major powers have been at war since the invention of nukes, and NATO would not in any way be a pushover without the US.

I do not disagree on allocating more funds to the military. I even argued that it objectively has been underfunded. That does not change that this man is an asstwat and others like him try to scare Norwegians for their own purposes. I think a scared populace is a dangerous thing, possibly allowing for dangerous ideas to be implemented in the name of security. Recently some hefty surveillance has been implemented in Norway, which I blame on people like him.

SuddenDownpour ,

Norway is part of NATO, and has strong incentives to make sure that its neighbours aren’t at risk of being invaded. They still have reason to want to make sure Russia wouldn’t be able to invade.

Urist ,
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and has strong incentives to make sure that its neighbours aren’t at risk of being invaded

What do you mean?

SuddenDownpour ,

Finland and Sweden getting invaded is terrible for Norway’s economy’s and plenty of individual lives, so Norway has a natural interest in making sure those countries are well defended, either through their own means or through diplomacy, regardless of their own individual risk of being attacked by Russia.

Urist , (edited )
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Yes, many in Norway have wanted to establish a nordic defense agreement, but this is now dead as Sweden and Finland are joining NATO. That being said, individually Finland and Sweden have much more military strength than Norway.

gcheliotis ,

I am sorry but as you can tell by the number of downvotes received logic, nuance, and difference of perspective are not allowed these days on some English language forums when it comes to Russia. You must qualify all your statements with “Russia bad” and just join in the warmongering /s

Urist ,
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I appreciate you saying this even though I sleep very well at night regardless of downvotes.

Fudoshin ,
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Russia would never invade Norway. It’s just snow and trolls.

ObviouslyNotBanana , to world in We are running out of time to build defences against Russia, warns Norway's commander in chief
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Damn, the Russian trolls are really trying today huh. I’ve seen them in multiple threads making the same damned points.

FarceOfWill ,

Ironically demonstrating why the EU needs to invest more in defences. Cyber and physical

highduc , (edited ) to world in We are running out of time to build defences against Russia, warns Norway's commander in chief

Bullshit warmongering propaganda. edit: and let me guess, part of the solution would be buying very expensive, US made weapons.

edit 2 since I see it’s a popular post: I also love how - like how immigrants are at the same time too lazy to work and living on social security, but also stealing all the jobs - Russia is at the same time too weak and pathetic to invade a country like Ukraine but also going to start a war with all of NATO, lol. 🤡

Windex007 ,

Perpetually perplexed by those who still maintain Russia wouldn’t invade a sovereign nation. It’s not even “fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me” when at this point it’s like “fool me 7 times in the last 20 years”

MedicPigBabySaver ,

Dumbass. Hope you enjoy the gulag.

highduc ,

Big bad gulag is gonna get you bro. Run!

I enjoy the goulash! 🥘

MedicPigBabySaver ,

Borscht!

flyboy_146 ,

I’m sorry, who’s the dumbass you are talking about?

agent_flounder ,
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My first thought reading the headline is: I don’t see how Russia is building up a stockpile while burning through their stockpile it in Ukraine. That makes no sense whatsoever.

Russia is also burning through bodies so I don’t see them being particularly able or willing to try to invade Norway or anywhere else anytime soon.

It seems from all accounts they’ve got their hands full in Ukraine and are making little or no progress.

I think you’re right about buying US weapons. I don’t think it is warmongering but rather shilling for the military industrial complex.

Edit: still, I wouldn’t disarm or anything and maybe somewhat shore up defense. Maybe a decade or two Russia tries some more stupid shit.

HappycamperNZ ,

I would call a response prudent, especially with additional ties to Chinese manpower and the middle east playing up. Like it or not the whole world economy is linked to Chinas cheap manpower/goods and Middle East oil.

Four years ago we didn’t think another global pandemic would happen, or a presidential cheeto would be done for insurrection (do it, not charged), or anything else of the last few years. Russia can still do something stupid that changes the course of human history.

agent_flounder ,
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Excellent point; I forgot what timeline we’re in.

HappycamperNZ ,

I mean, some people had to be and at least we can deal with it.

They threw all the tough ones in this timeline

HootinNHollerin ,

USSR went through 1.5 million soldiers defending Moscow and 20 million in WW2 iirc just to put their viewpoint on casualties in perspective

FlorianSimon ,

That was not an invasion war though. They were fighting for their existence, which makes a world of difference.

theterrasque ,

On occasion their strategy has been “if we send in enough people, they’ll eventually run out of bullets”

They out-Zapp Brannigan’ed Zapp Brannigan. That should terrify you on multiple levels

realitista ,
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Russia is producing a lot. Yes, they are burning through more on the front line until now, but western support has ground to a near standstill in recent months, so it’s entirely plausible that they could continue fighting and start building up supplies if NATO can’t provide more weapons to Ukraine.

theodewere ,
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it's certainly not propaganda.. Russia is a shambles, and nobody knows what happens when Putin dies.. Norwegian generals are not known for hyperbole.. unlike little trolls on the internet..

and they certainly won't buy cheap Chinese and North Korean stuff like the Russians do

Wanderer ,

If you had an influx of say 100,000 people that would be enough to disrupt labour markets due to supply and demand and that would reduce wages and total avaliable jobs to the native population. So from a native point of view you are looking at either being unemployed or having a job at a lower wage.

Now if another 100,000 people came into the country and didn’t work and was on benefits then as a native your taxes are going to them.

Those two groups of people don’t impact each other. So both statements can be true. Low paid workers don’t tend to create jobs. So from a low paid point of view you got nothing to gain from immigration.

wildwhitehorses , (edited ) to world in Sexism row at Australian Open after organisers ask women to move court

Why the fuck is it still called Margaret Court Arena? For those who don’t know … www.sbs.com.au/news/article/…/xyjg40bnr

Forgive my phone for not getting links to work.

avater , (edited ) to world in Germany considers recruiting foreigners to army in face of Russian menace
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I have another Idea: Provide the fucking Taurus to Ukraine. It will destroy russian infrastructure and it will kill russian soldiers, which in the end will reduce the amount of troops they have and the necessity to ramp up our own troops.

Deceptichum , to world in Germany considers recruiting foreigners to army in face of Russian menace
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Does Germany have the supplies to … supply an extra 20,000 soldiers?

avater ,
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yeah we do, since we ramp up our military budget right after the second invasion of Ukraine began.

Altofaltception , to world in Germany considers recruiting foreigners to army in face of Russian menace

Service Guarantees Citizenship

tsonfeir , to world in Germany considers recruiting foreigners to army in face of Russian menace
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I’m sure a lot of people want to kick some Russian ass.

navigatron , to worldnews in Ukraine digs its own Surovikin line as ‘active defence’ against impending Russian offensive

Paywall

Risk ,

It’s the Torygraph, you’re not missing much.

OozingPositron , to science in Rare white gentoo penguin discovered in Antarctica
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Something something mountains something something madness.

zero_spelled_with_an_ecks , to science in Rare white gentoo penguin discovered in Antarctica

What cflags was it compiled with?

p1mrx ,

-Os -fomit-melanin -march=icelake

JoMomma , to science in Rare white gentoo penguin discovered in Antarctica

They come in binary colors now

sharkfucker420 , to science in Rare white gentoo penguin discovered in Antarctica
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

Hate that I knew about the operating system before the penguin

phoneymouse , to world in Tories facing 1997-style general election wipeout

All it took was driving the country off a cliff with Brexit. UK has the same problem with Tories that the US has with Republicans and a population of total morons lining up to vote for them.

FrankTheHealer , to world in Tories facing 1997-style general election wipeout

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