I know everyone’s here dunking on the hypocrisy of Russia making this complaint and that is valid but it’s still sad this happened and I personally don’t think the US should be distributing cluster munitions which are inherently more dangerous to civilians.
Russian news sources really can’t be trusted, but assuming it is true, it’s certainly a tragedy that civilians were hurt. And I wish they hadn’t been.
The solution though is for civilians to leave Crimea. They are on illegally seized land, not wholly dissimilar to Israeli settlers. It isn’t their fault that their children died of course, but they need to leave the area. Issue is, Russia probably won’t let them, because they’d prefer civilian casualties to occur.
It’s also kinda rich of Russia to complain about this after they’ve bombed, killed, and orphaned countless Ukrainian kids. They’ve even kidnapped some of them. And from what I recall happened in Mariupol, they might’ve even done ethnic cleansing. It doesn’t excuse Russian civilians being killed, but Russia has absolutely no legs to stand on here.
Us basically never uses em anyway. I think they fired less than 100 during the whole GWOT. Ukraine is getting old stock that was going to have to be decommissioned soon. And let’s be really real here. They are FUCKING Russia up. One of the first batch wrecked a shitload of helicopters. Subsequent ones have hit other airfields and critical equipment. There’s a video of a single missile taking out 3 or 4 S-400s. Catastrophic cook-offs.
I’m not convinced this whole thing isn’t bullshit by Russia to turn public opinion against ATACMS just because they’ve been so effective primarily because they can’t fucking intercept them. In the video I mentioned before, their best air defense platforms fired 6 total missiles to intercept ONE and FAILED. This article claims 4 ATACMS shot down. Not a goddamn chance that’s true. It’s more likely Russia accidentally bombed a civilian area like they have several times already.
There’s plenty of criticism from the “normal” left. It’s only the far-left tankies on certain instances of Lemmy that play dumb. Anyone from the centre-left mainstream political parties to non-authoritarian leftists (e.g. those aligned with Greens, Socialist, or Left parties in their respective countries) is far more likely to be opposed to this than supportive.
But wait… didn’t China say the re-education camps were a hoax, that Muslims have the same rights as everyone else in China, and that any issues they’d been having had already been resolved?
Taiwan doesn’t want to be Chinese, so it isn’t. Crimea wants to be Russian, so it shouldn’t be?
I get the sense that the only thing people like you want is to separate countries on some vague idea of ethnic lines and Balkanize countries because racism has been such a big part of your identity.
I think it’s more of a “our hands are tied” situation. There’s not really much the world governments can do to control China, especially when they control so much global manufacturing.
I agree, but I look at what Google and Microsoft are getting away with and I can’t help but wonder if this is to kill off a competitor by applying the super power lobbyism.
As an example, the blocking/ deleting of accounts without any reason , which is illegal in the EU but is not enforced. The tricks they are pulling to make Edge the default/sole browser (which is sneakier and more persuasive than the original IE6 shit for which they did get punished). Recall, which should have gotten any oversight organisation up in arms.
See I hear you except when it becomes full on straight up murder.
And the other commenter talked about how those homes (more like facilities I have learned) the kid is in are recruitments from local gangs to get kids to kill people and go unjailed.
Maybe they shouldn’t take America’s hard-line view on kids and crime but I’d say the soft view they are using now isn’t working very well.
And so what this kid grows up into an adult and then just gets to go back into the world, having killed someone who was innocent because a gang told him too?
Kids need love, acceptance and guidance from adults who are capable of that. If they don’t get that from those who should be giving it, they are open to abuse from those who will use and abuse them.
Those kids aren’t being recruited to murder anyone in the beginning. They’re being given the things they need, then they’re being manipulated to believe they owe their lives to the ones who gave it, and must do what they’re told to repay the debt.
Kids don’t have adult brains to think through the consequences of their choices. And the adults in charge of them, specifically politicians and other idjits who couldn’t give a rat’s ass about them most of the time, are failing those kids at every turn.
It all has to with with money, ie: if you invest in proper care for the kids = it costs more than just warehousing/condemning them to the bare minimum.
And in Sweden what in the US would be called a “juvenile detention center” would fall under the term of “youth home”. He wasn’t returned to the same one.
I don’t think they’re exactly leaving him unguarded, being underage, there isn’t another type of facility suited for legally incarcerating him. These facilities essentially double as juvie and orphanages.
Mixing kids who are simply in government care with ones that are violent, was never a good idea though. These two systems should be separate, because it’s now turning the former into the latter.
According to accounts for this story from eight sources including a former gang member, several youth home workers, prosecutors and criminologists, the homes have turned into recruiting grounds for gangs, who use them to enlist killers too young to be jailed.
Gangs have essentially found a loophole for legal murder. Get a child to do it.
They’re the ones masterminding this shit. It’s not like these actual children, with government rooves over their heads, are taking on contract killing to make ends meet.
Mixing kids who are simply in government care with ones that are violent, was never a good idea though.
That’s the issue here. There’s a huge difference between the kids in state care because they are orphaned and the kids who get sent to juvenile detention centers or even what we call in the US “alternative schooling.”
Not as big a difference as you think there is. Both are children needing love, acceptance, guidance and healing from massive traumas you can’t even begin to imagine.
Kill that guy for us, or we’ll kill you, you owe us, sorta requires understanding death.
You think these kids take the “deal” knowing where it leads? Even some adults are easy to manipulate… so a fourteen-year-old?
I’d agree that some teen that kills of their own volition isn’t innocent… But there’s a literal gang involved that is actively grooming kids for murder.
As for the government letting it happen, agreed. Modern politics, legislation, and government executive branches address problems at a snails pace. Often actively causing them because politicians refuse to enact laws based on what is known, rather than what they feel.
Kinda like you, feeling like the victimhood of this actual child shouldn’t be acknowledged.
An attempt to address this with such a tainted perspective surely wouldn’t cause problems. /S
But are they not warned about this exact scenario? They definitely should be.
If the govt knows that happens then they should warn them says they gave em weed and an apartment building. If you warned the kids about that they would know “Hey if you accept that you’re going to have to kill someone”
You really can’t see how a child can fall through the cracks of a fucked government care system and fall in with people who would take advantage of them?
Just warn all the kids off strangers, no way some won’t hear it, ignore it, or literally do the opposite of what they’re told for stupid childish reasons.
Brilliant thinking my friend, lets just tell all our kids not to get kidnapped, human trafficking, solved!
And before you get semantic on me, manipulating a child into coming with you against their own interests even as it is then not taking them against their will, is still kidnapping.
That’s less than a non-response. Self-inflicted sabotage of your own credibility.
Openly advertising your inability to understand why you disagree well enough to make others comprehend your stance with actual sentences that mean things.
So you try to pretend that a witty remark counts for something.
If you ever genuinely tried good-faith discussion, you’d see how little sense your position makes as you’d struggle to put together arguments that actually convince anyone.
Obviously this person shouldn’t be walking free, and needs serious rehabilitation.
But the same way adult ex-cons who end up back in prison in the US within months of release due to a fucked justice system, are victims, this literal child groomed into a tool to enact violence at the behest of others, is even moreso.
It’s the system that’s the problem. It was built for a society with a very homogenous and pacifist culture profile. That society no longer exists.
The majority in Sweden is going through a rather rude awakening right now and our systems are going to break a lot whilst our politicians struggle to bring them in line with our new reality.
If the Supreme Court rules that the president has absolute immunity Biden should immediately order the arrest of Trump, the christofascist SCOTUS justices, and the MAGA crowd in Congress and the Senate. He should fix the US electoral system to do away with gerrymandering and give every citizen the right to vote and equal access to the ballot box.
They won’t make a ruling. They’ll leave this case on the docket until after the election, then if Biden wins, they’ll affirm the prior courts decision. If Trump wins, he’ll get the case dismissed and the courts will happily never answer this very important question.
Sounds like that gang is doing exactly what countries do, except they’re smaller and therefore wrong while the country is right. It’s all relative to the size of your steeple.
I didnt have to sign up since its automatic and required for all males where I am from. But still, my country hasnt and will not ask me to go kill hels angles in other countries.
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