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dangblingus , to world in Tesla exaggerated EV range so much that drivers thought cars were broken

Wouldn’t this be a gross violation of FCC regulations? I know he’s got the capital to deal with any fines, but surely this would get the FCC’s attention.

HamSwagwich ,

What does the FCC have to do with it? Do you mean the FTC?

AquaTofana ,

I was wondering if this violated false advertising laws? I’m definitely nowhere near a Lawyer, so I can’t begin to grasp the nuances of things like that but…

If someone buys the car under the pretense that it will drive 500 miles on one charge, and it consistently only makes it 350 miles, that’s not a variable tolerance issue like +/-10% . It’s a straight up “I sold you a falsehood” issue.

treefrog ,

I’m near two lawyers (they live across the street).

Jokes aside, yes, States that have false advertising laws this would for sure fall under. In States that don’t, it’s still fraud.

Just took business law last spring.

AquaTofana ,

Okay. I admit it. I grinned.

But in all seriousness, it is good to know that even in states with lesser consumer protection laws, purchasers will still be protected.

I love learning little random tidbits of knowledge like this!

kelargo ,

FTC ? Not FCC

PrivateOnions , to world in Iranian chess player who removed hijab gets Spanish citizenship

Based Spain. Fuck the Iranian government

Nowyn ,

While I agree strongly with the latter statement I have a lot of reservations with the former. I am incredibly happy for her. But this decision as has been the case most of the time in the past decade with the exception of Ukrainian refugees is a decision on an individual level instead of an institutional one. There are a lot of people who are either asylum seekers, people with asylum or quota refugees with similar situations and danger levels. Making individual decisions leaves them behind and only aids one person. Basically, it is good PR with limited results increasing already existent inequality among refugees in Spain.

SuddenDownpour ,

Spain is a fairly difficult country to get into if you want the law to treat you in equal terms as any other citizen, if you belong to the wrong nationality. Latin Americans are often received with open arms, while Africans usually end up working below minimum salary without legal protections due to the lack of means to regularize their situation and the fear of getting deported.

Llewellyn ,
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And fuck Islam.

nomadjoanne ,

Islam would be fine if they behaved more like moderate Christians or Jews. People seem to forget just how violent the Bible and the Torah are. But the modern versions of those religions don’t take their cannon all that literally.

Lola_poodle , to news in Big central banks hike again with end of tightening in sight

It’d be great if rates went down on mortgages

doppelgangmember , to news in Norway, Finland battle rapid spread of bird flu

Babe wake up, new pandemic just dropped

Hazdaz , to world in Kevin Spacey acquitted of all nine sexual offence charges in London trial

So he’s been found innocent but something tells me that the internet in its infinite “wisdom” won’t change its mind.

It’s almost as if ruining (or at least trying to ruin) someone’s life based on rumors and hearsay is no big deal. Spacey is rich enough to be able to fight these charges, but how many more people’s lives will be ruined simply because people like to grab their pitchforks based solely on a lie?

Marsupial ,
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A lot of guilty rich people are found innocent and a lot of innocent poor people are found guilty. The justice system is frequently flawed in its execution.

There’s no reason to assume simply because a court doesn’t find him guilty, that he is innocent.

FoxBJK ,
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There’s actually some pretty important reasons to assume someone is innocent when a judge says so. Or do you really want to live in a world where everyone rules by consensus that you’re guilty the very minute you’re arrested?

Marsupial ,
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We live in a world with an unjust justice system.

It’s dangerous to implicitly trust such a system.

FoxBJK ,
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It’s also dangerous to assume that certain groups of people are automatically guilty even after they’ve had their day in court.

But I know nothing of the UK’s system of justice so I’ll hear ya out; is there some reason to believe this whole trial was a sham?

CeruleanRuin ,
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Acquittal doesn’t mean proved innocent. It only means not proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

Dicska , (edited )

Should we just call it ‘ice’ then?

EDIT: Because ‘justice’ without the ‘just’ part. But okay.

Marsupial ,
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It’ll all be water in a few more years anyway.

CeruleanRuin ,
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The need to assume innocence until proven guilty is a legal one only.

SCB ,

On a related note, we haven’t burned a witch in forever and I’ve got all this wood stockpiled!

As they say in the Utopian Fiction Warhammer 40,000: “Innocence proves nothing”

Dicska ,

The first part of your first sentence is true. The the second part of your first sentence is also true. I’m not an expert but I find it plausible that your second sentence is true.

But trying to imply causality between those two sentences is where I wouldn’t be so quick.

Coreidan ,

That’s because anyone with a rational mind won’t be satisfied with the result of our judicial system. It’s a massive joke that benefits those with money.

When you live in a world that is rampant with fraud and corruption, and a world filled with judges and lawyers who are happy to accept a bribe for dishonesty, it’s really really hard to walk away from a court case with a feeling of fairness and honesty.

The court findings here aren’t enough to sway me when I see the level of bullshit that celebrities get away with.

We have too many blind idiots in the world who take things at face value. Don’t be one of those people.

CeruleanRuin ,
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Plus we’re talking about things which are by their nature very difficult to prove. It’s literally one person’s word against another. Or in this case, nine people’s word against one. All that this ruling tells us is that there was insufficient evidence to convict him beyond a reasonable doubt.

volkhavaar ,

Do you think justice systems should adopt a less stringent standard for criminal convictions, like a preponderance of evidence?

Stovetop ,

No, but that also doesn’t mean he’s protected from the court of public opinion. Just because a court declares someone is innocent or guilty does not mean that I have to personally accept the court’s decision, particularly given how often verdicts can end up being wrong.

Even if Spacey is not proven to be a rapist beyond all reasonable doubt, he is still probably a rapist based on the volume of testimony against him, and that’s enough for me to distrust someone.

The_Vampire ,

You say that like the opposing view isn’t also the same thing, taking something (in this case, the word of the accusers) at face value.

I don’t know Spacey, I have no illusions that I have zero understanding of who he is, but there’s no evidence here. People shouldn’t be punished for having accusations thrown at them, that’s not something they control.

Sure, he could still be a terrible stain on this Earth. So could anyone.

Not_Alec_Baldwin ,

I don’t know why people have such a hard time understanding this.

You don’t know Spacey and you don’t know the accusers. Just because there are 9 of them doesn’t make it rape.

I don’t have any doubt that he “used” fame and the authority provided by celebrity to get people to agree to things that they may not have really wanted.

There’s a chasm between being an egomaniac and being a predator.

III ,

I don’t have any doubt that he “used” fame and the authority provided by celebrity to get people to agree to things that they may not have really wanted.

So you believe he is guilty of sexual assault then… okay, I can agree with you there.

Astroturfed ,

There’s a big difference between being found innocent and not being a complete piece of shit. This dude was obviously using his power and position to grope people, harass and convince people to enter sexual situations with him. He admits to it and basically just says it was “a pass” and they wanted it.

Hazdaz ,

This might shock you, but a whole lot of people enjoy it.

Astroturfed ,

Ah yes, they enjoyed it so much that they tried to have him put in jail for it. So enjoyable.

Hazdaz ,

Might want to look up the term gold-digger once of these days.

money_loo , to news in Reuters: Tesla’s secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

Gas cars do this too.

Years ago I bought an Infiniti truck that advertised 18 mpg. After owning and driving it I only got 9 mpg.

I wish the government would crack down harder on this sort of blatant misleading “advertising” so gas or electric, we’d have a better idea of what we’re purchasing.

Fapper_McFapper ,

Yes but I can usually walk to a gas station, buy a gas can, fill it up, walk back to my car, pour gasoline in the tank and then drive away.

What am I supposed to do if I own a Tesla? Walk to the nearest Lowe’s, purchase a multi fuel generator, attach it to my car, then walk to the gas station, buy a gas can, fill it up, walk back to the car, fill up the generator, crank the generator, hook it up to my car, then drive away?

RojoSanIchiban ,

This is decades-old hypothetical that just doesn’t happen in the real world unless the driver is an idiot. Never in the quarter century of driving gas vehicles did I ever run out of gas.

Likewise you don’t just suddenly run out of charge in an EV. In Teslas you get automatically routed to superchargers, and if somehow you’re too far away from the nearest one, you get miles and miles of warnings about having an insufficient charge to reach it if you, I dunno, somehow camped for days with the A/C on in the middle of nowhere.

In that catastrophic event, you stop literally anywhere with any AC outlet, you plug in your mobile charger, and wait less time than it’d take to hike to a gas station to charge enough to make it to a DC fast charger. Or better yet, someone tow-charges you through regenerative braking for a couple miles and you end up with more than enough to make it to a supercharger.

The article is about total range advertised vs. real world range, and you can go literally anywhere in the lower 48 and be in easy range of a DC fast charger, let alone a 120v outlet.

Voyajer ,
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Dang, which model?

girlfreddy ,
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@Voyajer @TheTango @money_loo

All of them ... or at least most of them. The numbers given are based on limited variables and almost never include qualifiers like proper tire pressure must be maintained, easy acceleration vs flooring it, usage of AC, etc etc ... which all affect fuel consumption rates.

Voyajer ,
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Nobody should expect to reach fuel efficiency targets if they don't even attempt to drive efficiently. Your other points stand though.

money_loo ,

It was a QX56 before they renamed it, but like that other guy said, it’s pretty much all of them as the car manufacturers are incentivized to give you the absolute best case usage scenarios for everything, and then slap that on a sticker as if it’s real world data.

Voyajer ,
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Oh wow, even their claimed mileage is terrible.

doppelgangmember , to news in Big central banks hike again with end of tightening in sight

In sight… right…

BombOmOm , to news in Ukraine faces the deadly threat of land mines as Russians retreat
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Russia has filled huge swaths of Ukraine with mines and I doubt Russia will be sending Ukraine their records (lol) of where the fields are after the war. The minefields created by Russia’s war of conquest will be an ongoing issue in the country for decades.

Assuming Ukraine wins the war, we will likely see a large rebuilding effort, which will necessarily include getting the majority of these cleared out.

BombOmOm ,
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Before any of that happens, of course. Russia needs to be pushed out the country. Every day they stay is another day they are creating minefields.

Stanwich , to world in Kevin Spacey acquitted of all nine sexual offence charges in London trial

I bet when he walked out of the courtroom his limp disappeared.

ezmack , to worldnews in US intelligence report says China likely supplying tech for Russian military

Like once a year we get an article about how the us military is too reliant on Chinese parts in their supply chain lol

ImplyingImplications , to news in Ukraine faces the deadly threat of land mines as Russians retreat

Also the deadly threat of their own cluster munitions.

Umbra , to world in Tesla exaggerated EV range so much that drivers thought cars were broken

"In March, Alexandre Ponsin set out on a family road trip from Colorado to California in his newly purchased Tesla, a used 2021 Model 3. He expected to get something close to the electric sport sedan’s advertised driving range: 353 miles on a fully charged battery."

Buys a used car, expects maximum advertised range. Just silly.

Irrelevant_Elephant ,

How is “he expected to get something close” the same as “expects maximum”?

Vikthor ,

It’s a 2 years old car, if you suggest that the range falls down to 50% in just a two years that’s probably even worse news than the marketing lies.

Umbra ,

That's not the claim

pickle_party247 ,

So you’re saying a two year old Tesla should be so inherently badly made that its’ range degrades by half in that time? Ok

Umbra ,

That was under the worst conditions, supposedly they lose around 10% range in very cold weather

karrbs ,
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Saying it's just silly is funny because ice cars that are 2 years old get close to the advertised sticker price. I agree that this article in terms of the car seems exaggerated.

I have a 21 Y and I know I don't get anywhere near the rated mileage it's about 50 or more miles off daily use and 30 or so miles miles on a long trips. This is both when it was new and in its current state of 50 ish k miles on the car.

I don't have the worst battery degradation out there and I have seen others start to have worst a lot sooner. I have also seen people get the rated. Used or not.

Saying it is just silly a silly response and you are assuming every used car ice or ev after 2 years years should have horrible milage/range.

For general information: Teslas 2021s are 2021s not 2020s

BruceTwarzen ,

What a dumbass. Thinks that a 2 year old car is still good

Locrin , (edited ) to world in Tesla exaggerated EV range so much that drivers thought cars were broken

I never trust anything from a big company. I always look at independent tests. If you bought computer hardware based on manufacturer lies you would think you had faulty hardware every time. If you buy food and drinks or medicine based on manufacturer advertising you would think you were sold counterfeit items. Always be skeptical and always verify independently where possible.

There are a lot of independent tests now where different cars are taken to a road and driven at the same time until the battery runs out. Then you get a decent real world example of what the vehicles are capable of. Also with nice direct comparisons to other manufacturers which is nice.

nye.naf.no/elbil/bruke-elbil/elbiltest

Use google translate or something if you would like to read, but basically this is a third party test of electric cars that test during summer and winter which is highly relevant for me. and Tesla occupies 2 of the top 3 spots.

*Edit: I actually misread the test. Tesla occupies 3 of the top 3 spots. With a Model S, a Model 3, and then another older Model S.

If I go to buy a new Model 3 Long Range on Teslas homepage right now I get 602 km range estimate. The independent test drove it 654.9 km on a sunny day. It got 514.8 km on a winter day. Winter days in Norway can get quite cold. I would feel quite comfortable buying a Tesla based on this test.

Tesla could say their cars could fly for all I care. The fact is that the Model 3 in this test comes very close to a Mercedes Benz EQS 580 in range. That is supremely impressive. Even if the Model 3 is a lot lighter and less comfortable to drive the range is very impressive for a car that is about a third of the price.

LinusWorks4Mo , to world in Tesla exaggerated EV range so much that drivers thought cars were broken
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I don't even try to pretend or believe i have any kind of range, nor is my car advertised with such. not that that's even relevant here anyway

Rachelhazideas , to world in Tesla exaggerated EV range so much that drivers thought cars were broken

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