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Littleborat , to linux in Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old

I whish I was 32 happy birthday

NegativeLookBehind , to programmerhumor in no cap
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My eyes are bleeding

gpw OP ,

The path to salvation is filled with terrors and temptation

no cap

aggelalex , to linux in Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old

It is NOT portable (uses 386 task switching etc), and it probably never will support anything other than AT-harddisks, as that’s all I have :-(.

Famous last words

wmassingham ,

*protable

indepndnt ,

Imagine making a typo and it continually being shared and highlighted for over 30 years.

Kinda makes me glad I’ll never be famous for anything.

ChaoticNeutralCzech ,

TIL Linus B. Torvalds is anti-table

tokyo , to linux in Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old

This is an interesting piece of history that I have never seen. Thanks for sharing

ipacialsection , to linux in Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old
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Well, Linux is 32 years old; GNU goes back to 1984, and Unix all the way back to 1970! The history of this OS is much older than Linus Torvalds’s involvement; he “only” created and maintains the most popular kernel.

But yes, happy birthday to Linux. Many thousands have contributed to making this operating system what it is today and they all have my utmost thanks for it.

lars ,

It is a happy coincidence that the evening before the 1970s began, at 4pm Pacific, they decided to invent UNIX.

lord_ryvan ,

How so?

floofloof ,

I think it’s a joke about how UNIX timestamps work. They count milliseconds from January 1st 1970, 00:00:00 UTC, which is 4pm the day before in PST. So the happy coincidence is that they invented UNIX at the very millisecond when its clock starts.

There, ruined the joke.

lord_ryvan ,

Oh right, the UNIX epoch actually starts when UNIX was invented

Somehow, I didn’t expect that…

TrustingZebra ,

The world didn’t exist before 1970.

polskilumalo ,
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JokeDeity ,

My brain gets numb when I start thinking about all the branches that have come from Unix… and the branches from those branches and so on.

RandomVideos ,

Are you sure unix will be created in the year 3.843063914 E+5636(1970!)

How would anything even survive 3.843063914 E+5636 years after the end of the universe to make unix

Deebster ,
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They misspoke: Hurd will be usable in year 1970!

AlmightySnoo , to linux in Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old
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won’t be big and professional like gnu

that didn’t age well

Mereo ,

And this:

and it probably never will support anything other than AT-harddisks

RedWeasel ,

Sure it aged well. WAY WAY BIGGER than gnu.

wgs ,
@wgs@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Weight your words my friend! GNU’s a behemoth !

GCC alone is almost as big as Linux. Add core/binutils, the Hurd, … And you easily outclass the kernel itself !


<span style="color:#323232;">~ $ du -sh linux-6.4.12/ gcc-13.2.0/                    1.5G    linux-6.4.12/                                   1.1G    gcc-13.2.0/
</span>

Oh, and Emacs.

Emanuel ,

Speaking as someone that doesn’t understand computers very well: is Hurd usable as a kernel nowadays?

kionite231 ,

Yes if you cherry pick the hardware :)

flashgnash ,

What is actually the point of using hurd other than being able to say you use Hurd though?

Dunstabzugshaubitze ,

Maybe it hurds in a good way.

Nah, it’s a kernel it does kernel stuff and does not offer anything a normal user notices compared to other kernels.

It might be interesting for people who work on kernels just to see different ways on how to solve common problems.

KSPAtlas ,
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afaik microkernels have a security advantage since kernel modules do not share the same address space as the main kernel or other modules

schnurrito ,

Possibly licensing reasons. Linux is GPLv2 only, Hurd seems to be GPLv2 or later, there could be reasons you may want to use something under the GPLv3.

jsnc ,

Hurd is not a monolithic kernel, so it’s an interesting technical endeavor. It’s also a GNU package which means it’s guaranteed to stay libre.

Hurd is also a smaller project relative to linux without the many eyes of the Linux board members.

beyond ,

That’s debatable, since what people generally call “Linux” is more GNU than Linux anyway. “Linux” as the Linux fandom considers is it big and professional like GNU, because it is GNU (among other things).

xill47 ,

But what about Linux distributions compiled without GNU tools? Most popular Linux distribution’s kernel currently is compiled with Clang, not GCC, and as far as I am aware does not include anything from GNU. Of course Linux is historically influenced by GNU, but in current day and age they are orthogonal

duncesplayed ,

It doesn’t change the larger point that GNU is way bigger than Linux, though. There are a tonne of things that are larger than Linux, and GNU is one of them.

xill47 ,

That is an entirely different argument which I did not contest and the comment I have answered to did not make

EDIT: Although, it depends on what we define as “bigger”. Binary size is certainly bigger, but user adoption is abysmal comparatively.

beyond ,

but user adoption is abysmal comparatively

I guess this is a matter of perspective. What I was saying in my previous comment is that what people commonly refer to as “Linux” (as in “Linux distributions”) is not just Linux (which is just a kernel) but also includes a bunch of other stuff, including GNU (that is what GNU/Linux refers to). If you’re talking about the actual thing called Linux, you’d be right, because most GNU systems are GNU/Linux systems, whereas arguably most Linux systems are not GNU systems; Alpine and Android are non-GNU Linux systems.

However, if like many in the Linux fandom you discount Android, then most Linux systems are GNU systems and vice-versa.

xill47 ,

Why would I discount the most popular applications of the kernel? That is almost the whole userbase

beyond ,

I wouldn’t either, but you see the sentiment especially among the !linuxphones crowd. The fact that Android is Linux is significant because it does in fact allow you to run so-called “Linux apps” (either under Termux or under a dedicated chroot set up by something like UserLAnd) and that is something to be lauded. Android has problems but not being “real Linux” is not among them.

b3nsn0w ,
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hi rms

RickyRigatoni ,
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Allow me to interject for a moment…

jsnc ,

I mean the GPL allowed linux to become a commercial entity. And the whole “professional” outlook is because theres a ton of companies who contribute either funds or development to the project.

skadden ,
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I appreciate the absolute humility though

fluxion , to programmerhumor in no cap

And that’s how rappers became the top programmers in the industry

gpw OP ,

Can’t wait to see Lil Yachty around work

Samsy OP , to memes in Mugshot shirts are 20% off. Buy now.

Damn, this is now in my feed one of the first posts. Shouldn’t it be after the mugshots. System error, lmao.

Looks like Lemmy has seen enough orange.

PrecisePangolin , to linux in Any chance to get the exodia os themes on Debian based distro?

Looks similar to dracula. Might be an alternative you can live with?

0therbit5 OP ,

Like I said i never try something different from the stock themesand DE (Gnome) so I’m just gonna try. I was curious if is something you can do 🙂

Lilium , to programmerhumor in no cap

Artistry, on god frfr 🙏🙏

db2 , (edited ) to programmerhumor in no cap

Does it make me a bad person that I like this?

Edit: wait… return ! 0 ; wtf

Edit 2: idc still like it frfr no cap

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

Yes.

grue ,

Edit: wait… return ! 0 ; wtf

I mean, returning non-zero exit status on error is just good practice. It even managed to evaluate to the same numerical value as EXIT_FAILURE when I tested it on my machine (gcc 11.4.0 linux x86-64), although I’m not sure if that’s always the case or if it’s undefined behavior.

This cursed code is quite well-written.

bronzle ,

!0 is defined as 1, that’s how argv [ no cap ] works, that and the ridiculous argc check stood out as a bit off, but works

Decompose , to memes in Mugshot shirts are 20% off. Buy now.

And people wonder how I know that Lemmy is all teenagers.

Edgarallenpwn ,
@Edgarallenpwn@midwest.social avatar

Check out !antiquememesroadshow if you want to feel old. I’m going to turn 30 next year and most of them are too new for me.

madkarlsson ,

Teenagers? What effing instance are you running on? I mostly see 30+ IT people wherever I go

alekwithak ,

Wait what? Last month Lemmy was “good because there’s no teenagers” ???!

chatokun ,

My knees certainly ain’t teenagers anymore. Nor is my digestive system…

charonn0 , to lemmyshitpost in No long hair!
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Priests don’t like boys with long hair.

kungfusion , to lemmyshitpost in My posts are apperently not artsy enough for Internet funeral

looks like melania

ThunderWhiskers ,
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It looks like Amber Heard

VieuxQueb ,
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From the thumbnail I tought it was Dave Mustaine.

Gradually_Adjusting ,
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Hang 'er 18?

poppy ,

Looks like Beth from Yellowstone

HowShouldIKnow , to lemmyshitpost in My posts are apperently not artsy enough for Internet funeral

It’s Beth Dutton

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