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Boozilla , to technology in Windows 10 is EOL in October 2025
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Assuming I still have my current job at that time, this is really going to suck for me. I have an old virtual PC runnning Windows 10 that I use once in a while to maintain some shitty old software. It was a giant PITA setting it up. I regularly back it up because of that.

Hopefully I can just continue using it, but I’ll need to disconnect it from the internet somehow. Will still need some limited LAN access. I guess it will require some strict firewall rules. I know just enough about networking to muddle through…maybe.

cyberpunk007 ,

Put it on its own vlan behind a firewall and permit only what is required.

AmbroisindeMontaigu , to technology in Windows 10 is EOL in October 2025

The period after MS stopped messing with it and before software stopped supporting it was the nicest time to use Windows 7, I expect it to be the same for Windows 10.

Blaster_M , to technology in Windows 10 is EOL in October 2025

Controversial Take:

Windows 11 is actually decent

Kongar ,

It’s 10 with some extra BS. It runs. But I wouldn’t call it decent. Definitely a controversial take ;)

Take my upvote not because I agree, but because you are brave! ;)

applepie ,

give us 3 reasons why

FaceDeer ,
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  • Stable
  • Lots of features
  • Very widespread support
cyberpunk007 ,

The funny thing is I use Mac Linux and Windows daily. Windows 11 on my surface. This is my business computer. Mac for the employer I work for. Linux for my personal desktop. 11 crashes all the time. Start menu and task bar glitches. Random UI elements not loading properly. I frequently need to restart explorer.exe. I get thunderbolt dock issues and glitches. This does not occur on the MacBook. Or my old windows 10 work laptop.

I actually like 10 now. 11 is hot trash. I’ll take 12 over it so far from what we know of it.

FaceDeer ,
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Whereas I use Windows 11 on all of my machines, including one I use for my job as a programmer and regularly put through the wringer, and I don't actually know what the Windows 11 version of the blue screen of death looks like because I have never crashed the OS. I can't recall the last time I saw a bug like what you're describing, either. So I don't know what you're doing wrong with your Windows 11 install, but it seems I've somehow avoided it without particularly trying.

cyberpunk007 ,

Me neither, I have mainly Microsoft software on there. It’s Microsoft’s own tablet lol. It probably would help if I reinstalled but I can’t be bothered. It “works”.

circuscritic ,

The major problems isn’t Windows 11 usability, although those issues due exist. UI and workflow issues can typically get addressed, or mitigated, by 3rd party tools.

The real concerns are the exponential increases in spyware, such as the AI recovery tool that records all user interactions, or the native advertising inside of the system itself e.g. Start Menu ads.

If native AI data collection and advertising is baked into all nooks and crannies of the system, the ability of users to mitigate those threats becomes extraordinarily difficult, if not impossible to completely resolve.

FaceDeer ,
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You can turn off Recall with a simple toggle in the settings.

There's no need to switch operating systems, just turn it off.

dukethorion ,
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Do you trust that its off? Or just off for You?

FaceDeer ,
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I trust that Microsoft fears the lawsuits that would ensue if they were caught lying about it, and that they wouldn't derive any significant benefit from lying about it. Why would they?

dukethorion ,
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Because legal fees and fines are the cost of doing business for Big AdTech

circuscritic ,

Even if you trust that one feature will actually be disabled, that was just one example.

Do you really believe you can disable and remove all of the numerous data collection and spyware components that are baked into all aspects of the OS?

I’m not saying no one should use Windows 11, but they should be honest with themselves about the trade-off they’re accepting.

FaceDeer ,
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Even if you trust that one feature will actually be disabled, that was just one example.

The other one mentioned was the start menu ads. Those can also be turned off with a simple toggle in the settings. Finding this was as simple as Googling "turn off windows start menu ads", it was the top result.

Do you really believe you can disable and remove all of the numerous data collection and spyware components that are baked into all aspects of the OS?

Yes. Because Windows is used by a lot of big giant corporations that would sue the hell out of Microsoft if it wasn't possible to disable those features.

ricdeh ,
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First of all, there are specialised Enterprise distributions of M$ Windows. Furthermore, what ground would any company have to sue M$ on what the latter put in their own operating system?

FaceDeer ,
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I work for a big giant corporation and plenty of its computers don't run Enterprise Windows.

A lawsuit would come in the case that Microsoft was lying about whether you could disable those features. Microsoft has put toggles for them into the settings, if it turns out that those toggles don't actually disable the things they claim to disable then that's where Microsoft is going to face legal issues. Do you really think Microsoft cares enough about the tiny portion of their customer base that's going to change the default settings that they would risk that sort of lawsuit to "spy" on them?

cyberpunk007 ,

Yes. Just like you can turn off a bunch of the windows 10 crap with registry keys and tools. Why. Why does a user need to go to such lengths to make their OS they paid for not soy on them and deliver them ads?

“Oh it’s not that bad!” You’ll say. Ya. Windows 10 wasn’t THAT bad for it. Then came 11. Then 12 will come. Inch by inch it will turn to shit more and more, and that is the point.

FaceDeer ,
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But this really isn't a registry key or tool, though. Did you click my link? It's a simple on/off toggle in the system settings menu. You just open the settings and click "off." I don't see how much simpler they could make it.

cyberpunk007 ,

You need to consider the bigger picture. Not this specific thing.

FaceDeer ,
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I haven't had to edit the registry in as long as I can remember. Not just for this specific thing. What stuff are you talking about?

cosmicrookie , to technology in Windows 10 is EOL in October 2025
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Linux Mint FTW! Changed partly because of this and partly because of all the ads, bloatware, spyware etc etc

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It’ll add too many eyes

sentient_loom , to technology in Windows 10 is EOL in October 2025
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Will they start supporting old CPUs? I couldn’t install Windows 11 on my pre-gen-8 intel laptops, so I had to go with 10.

shortwavesurfer ,

Nope, but they will support Linux. All the users who do not want Windows 11, AI spying on them, or don’t want to buy new hardware, will be going to Linux. So thank you in advance Microsoft, we appreciate it.

JamesFire ,

How is Linux scheduling with intel’s heterogonous CPUs? 12th gen and later?

shortwavesurfer ,

I have no idea. I’m rocking a Dell Latitude from like 2014 with an Intel Core i3 something.

JamesFire ,

Ah well I have a 13th gen laptop I use primarily for emulation on-the-go, so if linux was even halfway decent, I’d probably switch it over.

homesweethomeMrL , to technology in Windows 10 is EOL in October 2025

Micro$quash makes 80 BEELYUN dollars a year in pure unadulterated profit, but it can’t keep security updates coming.

Well. I mean, they can, hahaha . . .ahh but they’re not going to.

treefrog , to technology in Windows 10 is EOL in October 2025

I guess that’s when I switch my laptop over to Linux. Which is back how it was before I switched it to Windows for school.

My PC is already Linux.

Jaysyn , to technology in Windows 10 is EOL in October 2025
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Jokes on them, over the last year or so I've installed Nobara, Mint & Xubuntu on every PC in my house.

So done with Windows.

AstralPath ,

The only thing holding me back from Linux (Nobara) is that my AxeFX’s USB drivers don’t seem to work. Losing the UI and USB recording capability is a huge deterrent.

_sideffect , to technology in Windows 10 is EOL in October 2025

Fu win11 with its abundance of spyware and ai bs

xhieron , to technology in Windows 10 is EOL in October 2025
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Windows 10 LTSC 2021 ends support in 2027 (although it doesn’t matter quite as much). And it’s likely that the Win 11 LTSC later this year will necessarily be free from much of 11’s bullshit. Linux is still the right call, but for those of us who need to run a Windows machine for whatever reason, there are alternatives, so, you know… yarr.

Imgonnatrythis , to technology in Windows 10 is EOL in October 2025

This one is particularly harsh since win11 has ridiculous artificial hard stops on installation based on made up hardware requirements. Also it sucks.

Creat ,

This also makes it easy to block Win 10 from upgrading to 11, just disable tpm in BIOS. From where I’m sitting, that’s kinda convenient.

Imgonnatrythis ,

Ok, but where will you be be sitting on Oct. 15th 2025?

cm0002 ,

That’s a Oct 14th 2025 me’s problem

Creat ,

Dunno yet, sounds like future me’s problem. Mist likely some version of Linux unless win 11 drastically changes course (unlikely).

scottmeme ,

That’s where you grab a W10 Enterprise LTSC iso which has support until 2032.

Already got a surface running it.

JamesFire ,

Where would you… find one of these? For a friend

scottmeme ,

There are a few copies floating around torrent sites.

Usually it’s sku conversion changes so it’s not an eval mode.

Or find a friendly neighborhood n3rd who might have one. 😉

Also you can entirely uninstall edge!

Imgonnatrythis ,

Hol up. So m$ is still making the patches they’re just not releasing them to anyone but enterprise users? The whole end of service thing doesn’t actually free up any of their resources its just a soulless push for upgrade purchases?

scottmeme ,

Yep! 100% on the 👃

daikiki ,

I imagine they’ll have backtracked on this decision long before then.

Khrux ,

I have a PC I built that was absolutely top of the line 9½ years ago, that still plays most games in high to max settings. It’s a little powerhouse for its age, I often use it for rendering video and it still smokes everybody I know 's devices.

Windows 11 is too powerful for my PC according to Microsoft and I’ve been so pleased about that. If it wasn’t for the fact that I have no issues with my current windows 10 setup, I’d put in some time to jump to Linux. I’m just too lazy to give it the weekend it would take to learn, set up and move my content over properly.

Creat ,

Well to my knowledge there are (or at least were) workarounds to get win 11 to install anyway. It of course worked fine, despite saying it needed a TPM and/or specific minimum CPU.

From an eWaste perspective Microsofts decision to force literally millions of PCs into fake obsolescence is obviously horrible. And I honestly have no idea what their motivation even was for this.

As for trying Linux, these days it really isn’t even a weekend. Sure if you want to tinker and learn, you can invest a weekend. But if you want to just use the PC just pick any of the commonly recommended distros and just go. It’s installed in minutes and you can honestly just use the PC for whatever you used to use it before. Just backup/move your data off it and you got nothing to lose but like an hour, if it really doesn’t work as you need it to.

Chev ,

I’ve the newest AMD hardware available and I’m not able to upgrade. No idea what they want.

Imgonnatrythis ,

Hopefully you bought your fully assembled pc with an official Microsoft sticker already on the case right?

Chev ,

I’ve built the pc myself.

NarrativeBear , to technology in Windows 10 is EOL in October 2025

But I don’t want to buy all new hardware! Thought MS was sustainable. Instead MS is BS.

Thorry84 ,

Always has been.

And I’ve been using Microsoft since my first computer in 1984. Recently got DOS 2.0 with hacked FAT16 running on my first computer, would have blown my mind back then.

snownyte , to technology in Windows 10 is EOL in October 2025
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Unless you're on Enterprise/Education - 2027

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Communist AI is Communist.

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