Pray tell, what possible benefit can Lemmy communities gain from Facebook users?
my goal is to provide an offtramp to those stuck in facebook hell. the first step is for new users to be able to access their old friends.
i am human-being centric, not knee-jerk meta-hate-centric. you do you.
lemmy desperately needs non-bot content. interaction with threads.net could add real conversations.
You do realize most people who joined the Fediverse did so because Facebook and the likes are a steaming pile of shit, right?
im not going to make assumptions on 'most users' for what is expected to be a federated service between millions of people on thousands of instances of dozens of platforms. thats just stupid.
What possible benefit is there to the pile of shit coming to splatter itself here uninvited?
im here to intercommunicate with humans, even if they are on a server run by meta. i dont give a shit about meta, its the people that matter.
Since I stopped using mainstream socialmedia I can’t follow musicians I’m interested in. Some have a bandcamp page and rss works there, but they just upload their albums there, nothing else. At least I get notified about new releases. I tried to follow facebook and instagram pages via rss-bridge, but it’s not working for years now. My selfhosted bibliogram sometimes work, but it’s unmaintained so it will die at some point if instagram changes something. (I just found there is a maintained fork, yess) My ip usually gets blocked, so I get all posts once a week only in batch.
So I’m interested, unfortunately none of them enabled fedi integration yet, (afaik it’s a settings for them in threads) so I’m waiting when they will enable it for everyone.
I don’t want to debate about politics or whatever you are afraid of.
Facebook isn’t joining Lemmy. Lemmy is a weird ActivityPub server, it barely works with the rest of the Fediverse because of the design of the underlying protocol. They integrate with Mastodon and other timeline based social media first and foremost.
I personally like the ability to follow people who don’t know how to install Linux on Mastodon. Most servers will silence Threads anyway, so you’ll only see posts from people you follow or posts retooted by people you follow.
Based on what I’ve seen about ActivityPub’s growth, most people came to Mastodon to flee Twitter or to Lemmy/Kbin to flee Reddit. I don’t think any Facebook alternatives have really taken off.
Even if we assumed Facebook had the best of intentions - but if you truly believe that I have a bridge to sell you - here's another perspective to consider:
Poorly moderated servers regularly get defederated for far, far, far less than what goes on on Facebook's platforms. Facebook not only platforms bigotry, they pretty much support and endorse it.
i dont care about facebooks intentions. i care about the humans stuck in that walled garden so youre already off in a meta-butt-hurt irrelevant tangent.
Actually, I guess they're carefully probing to find out exactly what level of freedom they can give their users before they start losing people to the real fediverse. As soon as they find it they'll make things just slightly worse than that.
I wonder how Facebook is going to deal with the inherent privacy flaws of federated social networks. Nobody cares about things like the GDPR or the CCPA for medium social media servers like lemmy.world or Mastodon.social, but when it comes to giants like Facebook and Tumblr things may very well become problematic. No way Facebook is going to sign a data processing agreement with a couple of thousand Fediverse servers.
Pretty cool that the Fediverse is good enough for Facebook to continue investing into it. With Threads, WordPress, and Flipboard, we may very well see more companies cross-integrate through ActivityPub in the future. I don’t think Bluesky’s federation model will take off, despite it being a lot better on technical level for large services than ActivityPub is.
There are 200 mil. Threads users, and 10 mil. in the fediverse. Meta has been unable to meet basic federation assurances, is unable to guarantee moderation, is unable to detect and remove bots reliably, unable to guarantee basic user protections, unable to reliably detect and remove actions like doxxing, harassment, stalking, ban evasion, brigading, etc. etc.
Federating with threads means giving up on these basic protections for users and being overrun with threads users. When there is ONE instance that serves 95% of the users, federation has failed. What happens when Meta engineers start submitting pull requests to the AP protocol? What happens when they fork it to add their own “features?”
Federating with Threads is bad for the present and the future of the fediverse. We need to see more government organizations, universities, and journalists joining and spinning up instances. I want to see @POTUS, @bucky, and @AndersonCooper
Well put. Even if we assumed Facebook had the best of intentions - which they damn well don't - it needs to be pointed out that other servers get defederated for far, far, far less than what they allow to happen on their platforms. Their moderation is abhorrent, which makes it outright unsafe to federate with them.
Embrace, extend, extinguish. Irc ( slack ), jabber ( google talk, facebook messages, hip chat), Usenet and Google groups. Just to name few. Threads should be banned everywhere in fediverse
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