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davetapley , to world in Why BBC doesn't call Hamas militants 'terrorists' - John Simpson

And be sure to follow them on the fediverse: @BBC_News_Labs

KinNectar ,

Is it possible to follow a mastodon account on lemmy?

davetapley ,

Not presently, see discussion here.

paddirn , to world in Egypt warned Israel days before Hamas struck, US committee chairman says

“On Wednesday, Mr Netanyahu described any suggestion that Israel had received a specific warning in advance of the deadly incursion as “totally fake news”.”

Anyone who uses the term “fake news” when talking seriously about anything is lying out their ass.

Maven , to world in Why BBC doesn't call Hamas militants 'terrorists' - John Simpson
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The same thing’s happening in Canada with the CBC; bunch of people calling them out for not saying “terrorist” implying it means they’re in favour of the attacks, when CBC simply has a policy of not saying that about anyone, because it’s not their job.

PilferJynx ,

I just listened to a cbc segment that had a jew on saying to escalate, innocent civilians be damned. And yes, I hear JT call out Hamas as terrorists. We’re going to support a genocide if that’s what Isreal decides to do.

Shadow ,
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Opinion and interview pieces are obviously different. I didn’t realize Trudeau worked for the cbc.

Nighed OP ,
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As long as they are balanced, if you only ever have opinion pieces from one opinion, your just being biased by proxy.

This can lead to being over balanced though and inviting climate deniers etc.

Enkrod ,
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I have to disagree.

Best example comes to us via the BBC above, during WW2 they never called the Nazis wicked or evil, but they did not and did not need to have Nazi-apologists on air to present a “fair and balanced” view Fox-News style.

As long as you present opinion as opinion and reporting as reporting and refrain from loaded language in your reporting you’re perfectly fine. Could it be better? Yes. But while you might not have arrived at “morally good”, you have clearly left “morally bad”.

can ,

This is why we need CBC and can’t let the Conservative Party of Canada destroy them.

Wilibus ,

I generally don’t like the CBC, but I personally find their international political reporting top tier due to this kind of approach.

CensorsHateMe ,

??? They call neo-nazis terrorists.

Omega_Haxors , (edited )

Because they unambiguously are. Nobody reasonable is debating that.

5BC2E7 ,

So burning babies is ambiguous to you?

Omega_Haxors ,

The lack of self awareness is beyond hilarious.

dangblingus ,

No proof, just hearsay from the IDF.

5BC2E7 ,

they shared photos…

nephs ,

Of Palestinian children in a Palestinian hospital?

5BC2E7 ,

blocked for making bad faith “arguments”

Steve , to world in Why BBC doesn't call Hamas militants 'terrorists' - John Simpson

Based

K3zi4 , to world in Why BBC doesn't call Hamas militants 'terrorists' - John Simpson

Is this true? I was sure when Jeremy Corbyn criticised Israel, he was labelled as a terrorist sympathiser and anti-semite by the state media.

Just as a disclaimer, I can’t really remember and was never particularly interested in English politics at this time, so I have no opinions on Corbyn, or know if he really did make anti-semetic comments or not. I do remember the tabloid papers going wild on this, I was sure the BBC voiced this or allowed guests to voice this all the time.

HeartyBeast ,
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The BBC would never have labelled him that. They might have quote other saying it. Big difference

Evia ,
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Sometimes it’s not a big difference. Using several different quotes in one article, all of which use the word ‘terrorist’ or other emotionally loaded words, is a clear indication that they think he’s a terrorist whilst technically remaining ‘neutral’ because they’re only quoting rather than forming a position

mtchristo , to world in Why BBC doesn't call Hamas militants 'terrorists' - John Simpson

The BBC trying to stay neutral on such an emotionally loaded subject is very suspicious.

HeartyBeast ,
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Why? The guidelines say they report on what actually happened in these events.

mtchristo ,

Cause the BBC hasn’t been neutral in the past when it comes the the Israel / Palestine conflict

QHC ,

Source? Was it actually a BBC reporter or someone they were interviewing?

HeartyBeast ,
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This isn't an Israeli/Palentine issue. The guidance on the use of wording is general.

xkforce , to world in Egypt warned Israel days before Hamas struck, US committee chairman says

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  • TheDankHold ,

    No one’s blaming the citizens that were killed. A better analogy would be that staff at a club were made aware of a predator on the premises and allowed them to victimize someone.

    We’re also talking about a political party that literally funded Hamas at its inception to ensure it was more successful than the moderate coalition.

    TigrisMorte , to world in Egypt warned Israel days before Hamas struck, US committee chairman says

    Sadly Bibi needed to drum up the hate machine for cover. And Pootie needed the distraction from Ukraine. So both sides worked together to achieve this tragedy.

    bernieecclestoned OP ,

    It was literally Putin’s birthday on the day of the attack. Born 7 October 1952.

    30mag , to world in Why BBC doesn't call Hamas militants 'terrorists' - John Simpson

    I can appreciate that they are making an effort to use neutral language.

    sadreality , to world in Egypt warned Israel days before Hamas struck, US committee chairman says

    Facts are getting in the way of a good narrative tho

    theodewere , to world in Egypt warned Israel days before Hamas struck, US committee chairman says
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    sounds like they were invited

    redhydride , to world in Why BBC doesn't call Hamas militants 'terrorists' - John Simpson

    Commendable to resist such pressure and remain as objective as possible

    mr47 , to world in Why BBC doesn't call Hamas militants 'terrorists' - John Simpson

    So, basically: people performed atrocities. Are they evil? Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, the BBC has no idea whether it is evil to perform atrocities. Right.

    supercheesecake ,
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    They are saying they do not use language that makes judgement, because that is not what they do. They are a neutral reporter of what is happening in the world (ie the news).

    Everyone laments that “news” has been overrun by opinion journalism that tries to influence left or right. This is what “just news” looks like.

    atetulo ,

    So basically, you can’t read above a 2nd grade level.

    BBC is saying they report the facts and let people make their own judgements. I know this might be hard for your biased mind to understand, but the word ‘terrorist’ has been thrown around so much it’s practically meaningless. Heck, even when it should be applied (American terrorists shooting substations), it isn’t. It’s a political term at this point, nothing more.

    You’re trying to advocate for news outlets to tell us how to think instead of showing us information, which is shitty journalism for idiots.

    Mchugho ,

    Show the information that this was a terrorist attack, because it was. That’s an indisputable fact. Indiscriminately killing, maiming, torturing and raping civilians to spread terror. That is terrorism.

    atetulo ,

    I can tell you completely ignored my 2nd paragraph.

    Either that, or you’re not capable of comprehending it.

    Either way, have a nice day.

    Gonna block you now.

    HeartyBeast ,
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    No, they will report on the attrocities committed. Is it important for you for the BBC to tell you whether the attrocities are evil or not?

    specimen ,

    I still can’t understand why naming Hamas a terrorist group goes against their “present only the facts” view. It’s the same group that raped and killed civilians just six days ago. They posted videos of their horrid raid on the internet and plan to stream hostage executions. These are facts, it is not subjective. Isn’t this the plain definition of terrorism? Why is BBC reluctant to brand a group that performs acts of terror as terrorists? This goes for how they treated IRA stories as well. I really can’t see how this adheres to good journalism principles, unlike many people here seem to be praising. It just seems to me a weird hill to die on.

    makingStuffForFun , to world in Why BBC doesn't call Hamas militants 'terrorists' - John Simpson
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    John Simpson is a legend. His book, A Mad World, My Masters, is exceptional reading.

    IchNichtenLichten , (edited )
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    The guy has been reporting since before many of us were even born. If you can catch his show on the BBC it’s a great antidote to the sensationalized, biased reporting that passes for journalism these days.

    www.imdb.com/title/tt18289996/

    plz1 , to world in Why BBC doesn't call Hamas militants 'terrorists' - John Simpson

    It’s so refreshing to see real journalistic integrity once in a while. Thanks for sharing.

    Son_of_dad ,

    I mean the guy has integrity so that’s good. But the BBC and integrity are not two words that go together

    plz1 ,

    Yeah, this was for the journalist, not the outlet. I agree with you on that front.

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