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XTornado , to world in Russian general who ran Ukraine war fired

Well better that being fired at… Or falling from a window… Or from a plane… Or eating something unstable… Or… You know what… Let’s see. How this goes.

wabafee , to world in Russian general who ran Ukraine war fired

Another accident incoming.

DeForrest_McCoy , to news in Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia

This is ONLY the 677th time I’ve seen this posted in the last two days…Can someone do me a favor and post it 349 more times just so we’ve all seen it more than a couple of times.

Thanks.

diffuselight , to worldnews in Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia

People seem awfully quick to accept the narrative - it seems to me this would be the easiest way for him to disappear on his own terms.

Jagermo ,

Either way, he is gone.

xor ,

I think the key thing is that there isn’t really a compelling reason why Russia would want to take his death. And if prigozhin has actually just faked his death to go retire on an island somewhere, the result for the rest of the world is practically the same

ineedaunion ,

Putin wanting him dead isn’t a good enough reason? Putin has done everything so far for ego alone.

wolfpack86 ,

Russia could have reason to fake his death, but that would be only to facilitate them killing him in a more gruesome way.

ipkpjersi ,

Until he gets pulled out of retirement for one final stand. This is like the type of shit you’d see in a movie, it practically writes itself. Reality is stranger than fiction lol

I still think he’s dead for real though.

Atomic ,

How is a plane crash the “easiest way”? And why on earth would Putin do him the favor of providing a new identity? What does Putin gain from that?

diffuselight ,

no remain identifiable, etc. Putin doesn’t gain anything, but the dude presumably knows he was on the kill list so disappearing would be in his interest

bizzle , to news in Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin 'on board' crashed Russian plane
@bizzle@midwest.social avatar

I’m not buying it. Prigozhin lives. Probably hanging out with Tupac and Michael Jackson.

RizzRustbolt ,

So they get to come down from heaven and help torture him?

Matriks404 , (edited ) to world in Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia

I don’t even know how to react to this news: On one hand Wagner Prigozhin is a person who is ideologically much worse than Putin (basically full-blown fascist as opposed to imperialist), but on the other hand he could have helped with increasing unrest in Russia which could technically mean chaos on Russian side of the front and opportunity for Ukraine to make some gains, but of course that’s long time due, due to giving up on march on Moscow.

tpihkal ,

My question is does this create a vacuum, and if so who fills that void? Time will tell.

jpreston2005 , (edited )

it was shared online that wagner Prigozhin had a die hard following of people within his private army, and that they may retaliate in some way.

What I’m concerned about, is that further destabilization of putin and his power, only increases the likelihood of him resorting to nuclear weapons. To people in power, their greatest fear is losing said power. I just hope whoever is in charge of turning the keys and pushing “The button,” is strong enough to disobey orders.

Not_Alec_Baldwin ,

Wagner is the name of the organization.

quadropiss ,

His death might cause an unrest

Zaki5549 ,

Wagner isn’t a person.😅

kartonrealista ,
@kartonrealista@lemmy.world avatar

Wagner was Dmitry Utkin’s pseudonym. But I’m sure the guy was talking about Prigozhin.

pH3ra , to worldnews in Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia
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kiwwimix ,

Best reply ever

Crass_Spektakel , to world in Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia
@Crass_Spektakel@lemmy.world avatar

Selenskyj was right: Prigozhin will be dead after two months. And he isn’t the only hardliner. I think within the last month six out of ten of the hardest hardliners fell out of the window. Or out of the sky.

Seems like Putin is currently liquidating the hardliners so there will be no negative feed back when he ends his “special operation” in a couple of weeks. Message at home will be: Wow, we did great, nobody objects and the world is in awe! And who disagrees will find an open window to jump through…

018118055 ,

A single party can start a war. Stopping, however, …

DrDickHandler ,

Putin is not ending his special operation.

lorty ,
@lorty@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Why would he end the operation?

Crass_Spektakel ,
@Crass_Spektakel@lemmy.world avatar

I am not saying he is ending it. I say he will try to prepare to end it without getting removed from power, to get away with a black eye. He might offer some sort of shady deal which Ukraine rightfully will reject. And finally he will end the operation, not getting most of his demands. But as he had all his hardliners removed he can still claim whatever he wants. Because not the winner but the person in charge decides what the truth is.

ericisshort ,

You:

I am not saying he is ending it.

Also you:

when he ends his “special operation” in a couple of weeks.

Maybe you didn’t mean to, but you quite literally did say he is ending it and provided a loose deadline.

quinten , (edited ) to world in Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia
@quinten@lemmy.world avatar

Please note that the official title of the article is:

Yevgeny Prigozhin: Wagner chief presumed dead after Russia plane crash.

Decided not to delete this post due to the many comments and discussions.

Bondrewd ,

You know you can rename posts with clickbait titles right? Maybe just ask the user to rename and kick or ban him if he does not comply.

quinten , (edited )
@quinten@lemmy.world avatar

I did message him, bot no response as of yet.

quadropiss ,

While the article is named that, his death has been confirmed by the Russian government and afaik the genetic samples are being analysed

quinten ,
@quinten@lemmy.world avatar

As of this moment, there is no credible news source that confirms with 100% certainty that he’s dead. It’s likely, but not confirmed.

When making claims like this, always provide your source.

quadropiss ,

Quite literally the FAVT(FAVT.gov.ru) telegram channel t.me/favt_ru/1278. They have the channel linked on the website😐

jarfil ,

FAVT(FAVT .gov.ru ) telegram channel

So… any credible sources?

quadropiss , (edited )

“🤓”

Anyway, then what’s more credible than an official source who’s been literally fearing this old smart ass man? Make a realistic example

jarfil ,

I think you might could a word… I’m really not sure what you mean. 🤨

quadropiss ,

What’s more credible than an official source that happens to hate and fear prigozhin

jarfil , (edited )

Ah. Well, they seemed to hate, fear, and love him at the same time, so… anything more credible, would be a source with no stake in the matter, or at least multiple sources with different stakes each.

As thing are, Prigozhin could be hiding somewhere, maybe with a cut off finger or not, maybe paid off to lay low, or just with enough money to retire, maybe helped by the Kremlin, maybe by his own people.

There are just too many possibilities.

jarfil ,

The whole thing is sus:

  • Prigozhin stages a march onto Moscow
  • Putin runs away to St Petersburg, where a couple vans full of allegedly Prigozhin’s money get found, so he just stops short of Moscow and turns around
  • Prigozhin runs away to Belarus, Wagner to split between “core” in Belarus and the rest getting incorporated into Russia’s military
  • Russia blocks food export from Ukraine, holds a conference with African countries where it promises to send food
  • Niger sees a military coup, asks for Wagner help, Russia agrees, Prigozhin releases video of himself in Africa

…just a couple days later…

  • Prigozhin in a private plane over Russia, north of Moscow, in route to St Petersburg, crashes and dies along with other Wagner leadership

…wait, what? How? Why? Wasn’t he just in Africa, and not welcome in Russia?

Kekzkrieger , to world in Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia

While i dont like people being killed and everyone should get a fair trial, the world certainly isn’t a worse place with this guy dead and i aint gonna shed a tear for him

rDrDr ,

His mercenary army is going to be run by a Putin stooge. I’m not completely sure that’s better. Not exactly bawling over here, but I would have rather seen him march on the Kremlin instead.

bobman ,

Meh. He doesn’t need a ‘fair trial.’

transistor , to worldnews in Drone video shows how perilous the situation was for those stranded in the Pakistan cable car
@transistor@lemdro.id avatar

oh my god

eyy , to worldnews in Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia

What a disappointing guy. The least he could have done was take out Putin before he died.

Awoo , (edited )

If Putin dies you’re not getting someone nicer, you’re getting someone significantly worse. Of the United Russia party he’s pretty much a moderate force within the party compared to the alternatives. And there isn’t any other party that would magically assume power if he died.

jackmarxist ,
@jackmarxist@hexbear.net avatar

I Wish the CPRF was based and epic

Awoo ,

We all do, there’s definitely a faction within it that’s pretty good but the top is dogshit. They wouldn’t win if Putin was killed though, political assassinations tend to boost support for the parties that receive them, only really worthwhile when it would hurt a party organisationally such as small parties where one person can be very critical. But that’s not happening with any massive party.

smattering82 ,

What if they did take over would you move to Russia and live in the communist “paradise?”

bagend ,

The USSR wasn’t a paradise (communism isn’t magic) but it was better than anything in Russia before or since. It’s not like turning to capitalism in the 90s made the country a utopia.

smattering82 ,

So yes?

rikudou ,

Nah, he’s just another Russia’s tzar, this time under a different name, but still tzar. And when he dies, shit is gonna go down in Russia. And I personally can’t wait to watch it. No one is replacing Putin for quite some time after he’s done. Maybe on paper, but in reality Russia will be all kinds of fucked. Have I mentioned already that I’m looking forward to it?

sheogorath ,

Watch him showing up at Kremlin proclaiming himself Peter the Great reborn.

StalinwasaGryffindor ,

I mean, he did try a coup that failed miserably because he had no support. Even if he would have want to try to kill Putin, there’s no reason to believe he was capable of it

Olifant , to worldnews in Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia

Do I have to point out that this title is misleading? Don’t get me wrong, I’d be glad if it were true… one less child killer roaming the world but if you read the article it hasn’t been confirmed by western sources he was on that plane.

combat_brandonism ,

it hasn’t been confirmed by western sources

us-foreign-policy

Awoo ,

it hasn’t been confirmed by western sources

“I only believe news if it’s made by white people and owned by a white billionaire”

robot_dog_with_gun ,

yeah wtf standard is that

rikudou ,

Racist much?

lumcos ,

It’s not a racism thing. It’s an “I don’t trust the fucking kremlin” thing. Russian state media does not have a good track record of reporting the facts fully and honestly–for a long time, not just the last year and a half.

Awoo ,

Neither does any media lmao.

EuthanatosMurderhobo ,
@EuthanatosMurderhobo@lemmygrad.ml avatar

LOL’d. And these people look at the rest of the world and say: “Brainwashed.”.

TWeaK ,

The current article title now:

Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin presumed dead after Russia plane crash

CoolSouthpaw , to world in Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia

Good.

He was a fucking dumbass piece of shit who deserves this for not following through on his coup.

This is not surprising at all lmao.

editilly ,

lemmy get this straight, you think it would somehow have been better for him, instead of Putin, to control Russia? Or am I reading this wrong?

Draedron ,

It would have been better if they took each other out or at least if he started enough unrest so russia has take to more military out of ukraine to deal with him

Gradually_Adjusting ,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

I read it more like “he tried to roll the dice without anteing up”. Who the hell does that? Russia definitely wouldn’t be better with Prig, but it’s a hell of a thing to watch either way.

skillissuer ,
@skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

the only surprising thing is that it took so long after mutiny

Gnubyte , to worldnews in Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia

Ah yeah the guy who opposed Putin

Yeah surprise he’s dead

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