yogthos

yogthos OP , 3 months ago to memes in Americans be like

Let’s face it, you can’t even find China on a map. You’re never going to go to China, you don’t give a shit about people living in China. You’re just a racist who thinks he’s being awful clever. It’s sad and pathetic, and everybody can see through it.

yogthos OP , 3 months ago to memes in Americans be like

Maybe if you actually read the links provided then you’d see that your criticism is vapid in the extreme.

yogthos OP , 3 months ago to memes in Americans be like

people would look at you as the imbecile that you are of course

yogthos OP , 3 months ago to memes in Americans be like

You sure could’ve avoided making a clown of yourself if you bothered reading the links provided

Contrary to common belief, the cities mainly target companies, not individuals.

yogthos OP , 3 months ago to memes in Americans be like

The power of the government being premised solely on who has access to the backend data is certainly a novel political theory.

yogthos OP , 3 months ago to memes in Americans be like

I would hope most people are against atrocities. The question is ultimately what the truth of any particular situation is, and what the motivations of the people are. Understanding that is not always easy, but a good rule of thumb is that nations tend to be less than truthful about their geopolitical rivals.

yogthos OP , 3 months ago to memes in Americans be like

No rush, it’s a big link dump to go through. Most people don’t really bother, so I appreciate the fact that you’re willing to actually examine the evidence that’s available.

yogthos OP , 3 months ago to memes in Americans be like

This comes up often enough that I do have the sources handy. And sure, if you have actual questions/points that aren’t just flippant then we can discuss those.

yogthos OP , 3 months ago to memes in Americans be like

Sigh, alright I guess I’ll address the nonsense in detail for you. The whole conspiracy theory started with a claim of millions of Uyghurs being supposedly imprisoned story is based on two highly dubious “studies.”.

However, this claim is completely absurd when you stop and think about it even for a minute. That figure 1 million is repeated again and again. Let’s just look at how much space would you actually need to intern one million people.

This is a photo of Rikers Island, New York City’s biggest prison. The actual size of a facility interning ten thousand people.

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According to Wikipedia, “The average daily inmate population on the island is about 10,000, although it can hold a maximum of 15,000.” Let’s assume this is a Xinjiang detention camp, holding ten to fifteen thousand people. How many of these would it take to hold one million people?

Let’s do some math:

Rikers Size	Rikers Prisoners	One Million Uyghurs Size
413.2 acres (0.645 square miles)	10,000 to 15,000	43 to 64 square miles

In reality, one million people would probably take more space; all the supposed detention camps we see are much less dense than Rikers.

For comparison, San Francisco is 47 square miles. Amsterdam is 64 square miles. You’d literally need detention camps that total the size of San Francisco or Amsterdam to intern one million Uyghurs. It’d be like looking at a map of California. There’s Los Angeles. There’s San Diego. And look, there’s San Francisco Concentration City with its one million Uyghurs.

Literally visible to the naked eye from space.

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CHRD states that it interviewed dozens of ethnic Uyghurs in the course of its study, but their enormous estimate was ultimately based on interviews with exactly eight Uyghur individuals. Based on this absurdly small sample of research subjects in an area whose total population is 20 million, CHRD “extrapolated estimates” that “at least 10% of villagers […] are being detained in re-education detention camps, and 20% are being forced to attend day/evening re-education camps in the villages or townships, totaling 30% in both types of camps.” Furthermore, it doesn’t even make sense from logistics perspective.

Practically all the stories we see about China trace back to Adrian Zenz is a far right fundamentalist nutcase and not a reliable source for any sort of information. The fact that he’s the primary source for practically every article in western media demonstrates precisely what I’m talking about when I say that coverage is divorced from reality.

Zenz is a born-again Christian who lectures at the European School of Culture and Theology. This anodyne-sounding campus is actually the German base of Columbia International University, a US-based evangelical Christian seminary which considers the “Bible to be the ultimate foundation and the final truth in every aspect of our lives,” and whose mission is to “educate people from a biblical worldview to impact the nations with the message of Christ.”

Zenz’s work on China is inspired by this biblical worldview, as he recently explained in an interview with the Wall Street Journal. “I feel very clearly led by God to do this,” he said. “I can put it that way. I’m not afraid to say that. With Xinjiang, things really changed. It became like a mission, or a ministry.”.

Along with his “mission” against China, heavenly guidance has apparently prompted Zenz to denounce homosexuality, gender equality, and the banning of physical punishment against children as threats to Christianity.

Zenz outlined these views in a book he co-authored in 2012, titled Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation. In the tome, Zenz discussed the return of Jesus Christ, the coming wrath of God, and the rise of the Antichrist.

The fact that this nutcase is being paraded as a credible researcher on the subject is absolutely surreal, and it’s clear that the methodology of his “research” doesn’t pass any kind of muster when examined closely.

It’s also worth noting that there is a political angle around the narrative around Xinjiang. For example, here’s George Bush’s chief of staff openly saying that US wants to destabilize the region, and NED recently admitting to funding Uyghur separatism for the past 16 years on their own official Twitter page. An ex-CIA operative details US operations radicalizing and training terrorists in the region in this book. Here’s an excerpt:

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US has been stoking terrorism in the region while they’ve been running a propaganda campaign against China in the west. In fact, US even classified Uyghur separatists as a terrorist group at one point www.mintpressnews.com/…/276916/

Here’s an interview with a son of imam killed in Xinjiang news.cgtn.com/news/2020-06-19/…/index.html

Here’s an account from a Pakistani journalist who has been all over Xinjiang (which borders Pakistan) claims that western media reports on “atrocities” are lies. …com.pk/…/exposing-the-occidents-baseless-lies-ab…

It’s also worth noting that the accusations originate entirely from the west while Muslim majority countries support China, and their leaders have visited Xinjiang many times.

• ctvnews.ca/…/on-eid-xinjiang-imams-defend-china-a…
• bolnews.com/…/pak-religious-leaders-nurture-bonds…
• morningstaronline.co.uk/…/islamic-envoys-say-chin…

Also notable that whenever western media actually deigns to visit Xinjiang, which is not often, they’re unable to produce support for any of their claims of mass imprisonment and oppression, so they opt for insinuations instead apnews.com/…/coronavirus-pandemic-lifestyle-china…

There’s a further list of debunking here if you’re interested redsails.org/the-xinjiang-atrocity-propaganda-bli…

The whole thing is very clearly a propaganda blitz that US is cynically using to manipulate impressionable people in the west.

yogthos OP , 3 months ago to memes in Americans be like

You seriously still peddling this bit pf propaganda?

yogthos OP , 3 months ago to memes in Americans be like

Certainly a better one than claiming that there are no large civil gatherings in China. 😂

yogthos OP , 3 months ago to memes in Americans be like

Thanks for letting me know you don’t have a first clue of how statistics work. I guess that explains your views you form reading your tabloids. 😂

Also, imagine claiming with a straight face that civil gatherings in China are unheard of. What planet are you from even?

yogthos OP , 3 months ago to memes in Americans be like

Majority of people in China actually wanted to have a safe environment. I guess just making shit up is what passes for making an argument in your head. LMAO indeed.

yogthos OP , 3 months ago to memes in Americans be like

Claiming that taking tough measures to arrest the spread of the pandemic instead of letting millions of people die the way west did was a bad decision is the height of psychopathy. You are one sick individual.

yogthos OP , 3 months ago to memes in Americans be like

There is nothing questionable about those choices. For example, the firewall is the reason why China has its own domestic tech industry while the rest of the world is dominated by a handful of US companies. Meanwhile, censorship of capitalist views is good actually. And the idea that the government prosecutes certain ethnic groups has no actual basis in reality. This notion has been debunked to death but people in the west will keep repeating this because that’s what they want to believe.