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yogthos OP , 1 month ago to worldnews in New Polling Shows Significant Ukrainian Support for Diplomacy to End the War

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yogthos OP , 1 month ago to worldnews in New Polling Shows Significant Ukrainian Support for Diplomacy to End the War

If you don’t understand what Russia winning militarily has to do with anything there’s really no point continuing the discussion.

Putin could end the war tomorrow. He chooses not to. Maybe he chooses not to, because he thinks he is winning? It does not matter. What matters is that he chooses not to end it, killing millions.

The west continues to use Ukraine as a proxy to try and weaken Russia, killing millions. The west could stop doing this any time, yet chooses not to.

yogthos OP , 1 month ago to worldnews in New Polling Shows Significant Ukrainian Support for Diplomacy to End the War

Except Ukraine has already admitted that they were close to having a deal before Bojo visit. Then the stance changed to the quote you’re giving.

yogthos OP , 1 month ago to worldnews in New Polling Shows Significant Ukrainian Support for Diplomacy to End the War

You can keep repeating this as much as you like, but that won’t change reality.

yogthos OP , 1 month ago to worldnews in New Polling Shows Significant Ukrainian Support for Diplomacy to End the War

It only seems even when you ignore the fact that Russia is winning the war.

Do you have a source for that? My understanding was hat Putin was allowed to pull back his troops, ending the war, without asking for permission from Ukraine? Or is it China he needs permission from? I’m confused. Who exactly is bossing Putin around saying he can’t withdraw?

That’s not what happened. Russia pulled back troops as part of Istanbul negotiations as a show of good faith. You do sound very confused indeed, which is likely why you keep making incoherent statements here. Perhaps spend a bit of time learning about the subject first?

yogthos OP , 1 month ago to worldnews in New Polling Shows Significant Ukrainian Support for Diplomacy to End the War

It’s pretty clear that Ukraine was close to taking the original offer before Bojo was rushed in to sabotage it. It’s also clear that the only reason war is continuing is because of the west.

The question you should ask yourself at the end of all this is what the west managed to achieve. Russia will win the war, Ukraine will be forced to accept far worse terms than are currently on the table. In that time many more people will die and have their lives ruined. I guess people like you think this a good outcome.

yogthos OP , 1 month ago to worldnews in New Polling Shows Significant Ukrainian Support for Diplomacy to End the War

Saying “they’re doing ethnic cleansing” and backing it up with a link that’s just “they’re using cluster munitions” is literally exactly this

That’s not what I did, and you just cherry picked this out of the sources I gave you.

The point I was making was that the only person who described themselves in terms of identity in that link called himself Ukrainian. This makes it very poor evidence for Ukraine targeting ethnic Russians.

Apparently you don’t understand the difference between nationality and ethnicity.

The fact that there are a bunch of ethnic Russians living in that part is not evidence of ethnic cleansing by Ukraine.

The fact that people of Donbas rose up against the regime and have been fighting it for the past 8 years is proof of that.

So your position is that the ethnic cleansing happened in the ~two months between Yanukovych fleeing Ukraine in February and the declarations of the DPR and LPR in April?

No, but obviously all you know how to do is to make ridiculous straw man arguments.

I’ve said all I need to say here, and it’s pretty clear that you’re just going to keep regurgitating your talking points, so further discussion is not going to be productive. Bye.

yogthos OP , 1 month ago to worldnews in New Polling Shows Significant Ukrainian Support for Diplomacy to End the War

It’s pretty clear that everyone does not want the war to stop given that the west has rejected multiple offers to stop the war. You’re right that the war can only stop if the west stops blocking the peace process.

yogthos OP , 1 month ago to worldnews in New Polling Shows Significant Ukrainian Support for Diplomacy to End the War

Putin is using basic diplomacy, and has been trying to do that for 8 whole years before the war started. That’s what Minsk agreements were about. Then two months into the war Russia almost had a deal with Ukraine that the west tanked. Even NYT has publicly admitted to this nytimes.com/…/ukraine-russia-ceasefire-deal.html

Now, Russia has put out another peace deal based on the realities on the ground today. The west immediately rejected it again. Yet, it turns out that it’s Putin who is willing to kill millions instead of using basic diplomacy. Interesting logic you’ve got going there.

yogthos OP , 1 month ago to worldnews in New Polling Shows Significant Ukrainian Support for Diplomacy to End the War

You can interpret it whatever way you like.

yogthos OP , 1 month ago to worldnews in New Polling Shows Significant Ukrainian Support for Diplomacy to End the War

“Using cluster munitions” still does not equal “ethnic cleansing”

Nobody made the argument that simply using cluster munitions equals ethnic cleansing on its own.

Eastern Ukraine is not 100% ethnically Russian

It is predominantly ethnically Russian, and those are the people who are being targeted.

“Educate yourself on a subject” does not equal “reply to a social media comment”. I said the latter was not worth one hour, not the former. This is an extremely bad faith response to what I said.

Bad faith is arguing about something you have no understanding of and wasting everyone’s time.

See the thing is you put it alongside five other sources which you also said showed ethnic cleansing, but they did nothing of the sort. As such I see no reason to believe you on this.

See this is what a bad faith argument looks like.

Yes, I know the Mearsheimer lecture. It is not about ethnic cleansing. So why are you bringing it up to back up your claim about ethnic cleansing?

Clearly you didn’t watch the lecture if you need to ask that question as it clearly explains the demographics in Ukraine, and why eastern regions decided to separate which is the ethnic cleansing that western backed fascists started doing after the coup in 2014. They weren’t hiding it either

www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=aHWHqj8g7Bk

yogthos OP , 1 month ago to worldnews in New Polling Shows Significant Ukrainian Support for Diplomacy to End the War

War is an extension of diplomacy. The difference is that Russia is actually offering terms to Ukraine where US did not oll.libertyfund.org/…/clausewitz-war-as-politics-…

yogthos OP , 1 month ago to worldnews in New Polling Shows Significant Ukrainian Support for Diplomacy to End the War

The west of Ukraine has a choice to work with Russia to resolve this or to wait for Russia to win militarily and dictate terms. I’m still not sure what part of this you’re struggling with.

yogthos OP , 1 month ago to worldnews in New Polling Shows Significant Ukrainian Support for Diplomacy to End the War

I’m just explaining to you how the real world works here. That said, Russia gave Ukraine way more chances than US gave any of the countries it invaded.

yogthos OP , 1 month ago to worldnews in New Polling Shows Significant Ukrainian Support for Diplomacy to End the War

It’s interesting how people who want the war to keep going are calling people who want the war to stop war mongers.