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hanekam , to mildlyinfuriating in [META] Never change, lemmy.ml

The big issue with “trying” communism is that it historically has only really occurred through violent revolution. The political instability in these situations gives a perfect opportunity for the seizing of power by exactly those kinds of people.

Gradualist Socialism was the political project for Social Democrats in post-war Europe. They had 30-odd years to achieve it in several countries. The issue becomes that once they started notching up victories, radicalism decreased, and that when they’re not starving and oppressed people categorically will not vote to let someone collectivize their farms and expropriate their homes. It seems clear to me that in real-world conditions, a Socialist state can only come about through revolution, because the path in a democracy is far too long and leaves far too many angles of attack from a liberal opposition.

hanekam , to world in China ‘world’s biggest debt collector’ as poorer nations struggle with its loans

The TB one for instance found that TB gets worse whenever there is an IMF loan but not in the same circumstances when there is a loan from somewhere else.

Yes, because the countries taking those loans aren’t distressed.

There is a reason China’s loans are so popular.

They are popular because they come with very little oversight. Countries with higher transparency do not find them very appealing, as Italy’s recent withdrawal from the program attests.

You don’t seem to realize that IMF loan conditions have very specific governance requirements which directly impact governmental decisions around health spending.

They come with very specific governance requirements which impact governmental decisions about a whole host of things, because those governments have proven incapable of sound fiscal management.

Again, the IMF is in no way perfect and I’m sure there is a myriad ways the conditions of their loans can be tailored to minimize negative outcomes. But that does not mean they cause these problems any more than every cancer death being a failure of medicine means doctors cause cancer.

hanekam , (edited ) to world in China ‘world’s biggest debt collector’ as poorer nations struggle with its loans

I’ve looked at all of the sources you provide, and they all point out the fact that countries experience bad outsomes after an IMF intervention, which nobody’s disputed. My argument is that countries in similar dire straights will experience even worse outcomes if there is no such intervention. As an example, I could name Venezuela, which experienced an extreme increase in child mortality, your favored metric, after leaving the IMF. The root cause is economic distress, not the IMF intervention.

Minimizing the negative effects of government failure is absolutely worth examining. Identifying the mistakes made by the IMF in past interventions is a noble goal. But we should not blame international organizations when poor governance causes countries to fail.

hanekam , to world in China ‘world’s biggest debt collector’ as poorer nations struggle with its loans

You will see a lot of bad outcomes following an IMF intervention for the same reason you will see a lot of bad outcomes following oncology visits. Once you’ve gotten to the point the IMF get involved, things are already going to hell. What do you believe the effect on infant mortality of bankruptcy to be?

hanekam , to world in Putin Unleashes Record Bombing in Ukraine as the World Watches Gaza

Which Arab nations are Joe Biden currently exterminating, then?

hanekam , to world in China ‘world’s biggest debt collector’ as poorer nations struggle with its loans

China is way way worse than the IMF. The IMF restructures the debts of distressed countries to help them avoid bankruptcy. China sabotages this sort of help by refusing to negotiate on the same terms as other creditors, preventing the IMF from doing it’s job.

hanekam , to world in Putin Unleashes Record Bombing in Ukraine as the World Watches Gaza

Asserting that Joe Biden hasn’t committed any genocides is not denying the holocaust. You know this very well, I think.

hanekam , to world in Putin Unleashes Record Bombing in Ukraine as the World Watches Gaza

Which Arab nations have Joe Biden exterminated, exactly?

hanekam , to world in Putin Unleashes Record Bombing in Ukraine as the World Watches Gaza

Genocide Joe? 🙄

People are really working to rob that word of all meaning

hanekam , to news in Palestinians plead ‘stop the bombs’ at UN meeting but Israel insists Hamas must be ‘obliterated’

My first quote is from a group of Harvard students immediately following the attack on Israel. The second is from Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the President of Turkey. Do heads of state count?

hanekam , to world in London set for massive pro-Palestinian protest demanding Gaza ceasefire

I don’t understand how your comment relates to mine. Do you believe that because I consider a cessation of hostilities where Hamas keeps their hostages a victory for Hamas, that I mean to say that rescuing hostages is the scope of Israel’s campaign?

It clearly isn’t. Israel intends to destroy Hamas and are appallingly callous about the collateral damage they cause in the process

hanekam , to world in London set for massive pro-Palestinian protest demanding Gaza ceasefire

A ceasefire where Hamas gets to keep their hostages is a huge Hamas victory. Advocating for something which gives Hamas a huge victory will be interpreted by some as support for Hamas.

These demonstrations are full of Palestinian flags, without an Israeli one in sight. It’s hard to argue against them being partisan

hanekam , to news in Palestinians plead ‘stop the bombs’ at UN meeting but Israel insists Hamas must be ‘obliterated’

The issue is nobody is saying Hamas attacking civilians are justified

They do, but they word it like this:

We hold the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence

And this:

Hamas is not a terror organization, it is an organization of liberation, of mujahedeen, who fight to protect their land and citizens.

hanekam , to news in Palestinians plead ‘stop the bombs’ at UN meeting but Israel insists Hamas must be ‘obliterated’

Do you know what either of those terms mean?

hanekam , to news in Palestinians plead ‘stop the bombs’ at UN meeting but Israel insists Hamas must be ‘obliterated’

Israel kills more civilians than Palestinian orgs do. Palestinian orgs target civilians in a way that Israel simply doesn’t. Focusing on Israeli excesses without acknowledging how many Palestinians really, actually, want to exterminate all jews is just as disingenuous as focusing on Israeli security concerns without acknowledging the deprivations they impose on Palestinians.

In danger of repeating myself, no moral high ground to be found.

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