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Djad2410 ,

I use the word component loosely

Djad2410 ,

There is already laws on the books for collusion, and if they have been founded to have colluded to manipulate a company, those law apply to them

Djad2410 ,

Yes vote with your wallet and leave, but don’t bring up false information to try and get others to leave, don’t use subsidiary companies, you own to lie and badmouth, when you leaving didn’t change the companies stance.

Djad2410 ,

You stating I’m wrong about something when you don’t understand something doesn’t make my argument invalid.

Djad2410 ,

Media Matters stated that ads were showing up beside questionable content, which was proven to be them gaming the system to get that to happen. Disney, Amazon, Paramount owns a large amount of media companies that are smearing the website.

Djad2410 ,

I’m not conflating the two I’m simply saying the people that have an issue or misunderstanding and capitalism usage fall in either camp.

Djad2410 ,

Yes, I don’t disagree my point is there are people that go farther then just voting with there wallet and try to smear other/companies to get what they want.

Djad2410 ,

It’s a tool that they could use and were using to manipulate the American people. Because of a lawsuit with HBO Max it has come to light that the CEO was forcing their interns to make fake Twitter post to shut up their dissenters.

Djad2410 ,

By following those questionable feeds, and just those feeds on a brand new account until they were able to get ads to show up along with those feeds and then state that it’s always showing up beside those feeds

Djad2410 ,

Limited government regulation

Djad2410 ,

By stating that, it was a component of the government. In that context I was using component loosely.

Djad2410 ,

Sorry, I am doing this to my phone. The point is they benefit from Twitter going back to before Elon Musk where they could police one side and not the other and control what was available

Djad2410 ,

No, capitalism is capitalism I’m not saying there’s a better version of it out there and that we haven’t tried it yet what I’m saying is that the government is in bed with a lot of these companies and because of that what we currently have is being poorly managed

Djad2410 ,

Example: if a Disney movie comes out that’s ^a^ hot mess Disney could call up one of their points of contact at old twitter to hide, shadow ban, or alternative the likes. Which did happen with the Marvel movie and rotten tomatoes. No that no longer possible at X.

Djad2410 ,

Venezuela wasn’t socialist until it became socialist. I’m simply pointing out the country is moving in a bad direction. Before there was a balanced government and capitalist system now it’s less so.

Djad2410 ,

All governments have an economic system and each economic system is dependent on some level of government involvement.

Djad2410 ,

But, it takes a gun to fire said bullet.

Djad2410 ,

Thank you, you said it for me “corporate communism”, which in my opinion is the cancer of a functioning capitalist economy.

Djad2410 ,

No, corrupt individuals do

Djad2410 ,

There has been multiple government hearings with Facebook, Apple, Google involving collusion. Also, look at the targeted takedown of Parlor by Amazon, Google, and Apple when it was a threat to the old twitter.

Djad2410 ,

??? The spring mechanism is apart of how a gun functions but the spring isn’t the gun it’s just a part of it. That’s no different from the bullet. We’ve gotten completely sidetracked of the main point.

Djad2410 ,

I simply made a claim to why something is happening whether or not is true is yet to be proven but that doesn’t mean it’s not a possibility. These companies want a hand in how the company is run and if they’re not getting what they want them calling each other up to coordinate an ads pull is a tool in their toolbox.

Djad2410 ,

lol, good one. But actions speak louder that words and from Disney to Apple, they all have board members and shareholders looking for a collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members cough, cough, communism.

Djad2410 ,

Okay i get what you’re saying but my point wasn’t to say that capitalism controls the government but to say that we need the government to enforce any functioning economic system. If we’re having an issue in a system that’s functioning well for the must part but has some rough edges we need the government to smooth out those edges instead of throwing out a mostly working system over ones that have been proven throughout history to lead to corruption and death.

Djad2410 ,

Oh, never watched

Djad2410 ,

There are less insiders working with these companies, X is trying to be neutral, and is trying not to be beholden to outside forces so I would have to disagree with you.

Djad2410 ,

The last sentence came from the definition of communism all be it not the shareholders and board members part, but it sure fit in there like the last piece of a jigsaw puzzle. 😁

Djad2410 ,

Enlighten me.

Djad2410 ,

You feel you know it all but are unable to prove where I’m incorrect with facts and not your opinion in doing so haven’t proven anything.

Djad2410 ,

No, American is capitalistic and within that system exists things like corporations. Corporations don’t always benefit a capitalist society for instance if a corporation tries to buy output isn’t competition, make it harder for competitors, and manipulate prices to undercut competitors.

Edit: also corporations being able to lobby against the American voters such how Disney threatened to do in Florida.

Djad2410 , (edited )

First my point was to prove Elon had a point that most, not all, corporations are bad and out to get him. We ended up on different economic systems and their associations to government and business. Finally you proved my point that some corporations are bad, so in my opinion these companies that have it out for Elon, Rumble, and other free speech platforms should be looked at for the real reason for them pulling ads in a colluding manner.

Djad2410 ,

It’s to early to state facts so it’s a given that most things mentioned this early would be opinions.

Djad2410 ,

Parlor and Facebook more so Facebook was use to organize the protest but Facebook didn’t receive the same action against them. Yes you’re right that I’m all over the place putting all those companies together. All that has happened in each of their hearings was finger wagging and back door talking to show further evidence, which didn’t amount to anything in the public eye.

Djad2410 ,

Yes you’re right about public image and a company wanting to preserve it. And I might be a little hyperbolic about what I’m saying. But really if it was just public image along with their ads, they would delete/(stop using) all of their accounts to show that they didn’t want anything to do with Twitter as long as they had hateful content on there.

Djad2410 ,

With or without people monitoring twitter you’re still get that type of content on any platform. You can only reduce the chance never completely stop. The point is you would have to be in those groups following those feeds to see that content.(allegedly) If it took Media Matters having to follow those groups for hours and then following Disney or any other company to show that, then twitter is working to make it harder for that to happen. If this is about a company’s image, even if a Nazi account would happen to see ads in their feed unless they were out her telling you, you would be none the wiser. I highly doubt if they did the same thing on any other left lining platform that towed the line, would there be the same reaction?

Djad2410 ,

Unions aren’t always a good thing especially when the workers are able to come to favorable terms on their own. A lot of the time it’s just union heads looking for a cut of the deal.

Djad2410 ,

You’re correct but my issue is with the corruption part. Look at Hollywood and that fiasco of a boycott and how it affected the people at the bottom of the union. Or the teachers union where is the damn near impossible to fire bad teachers and how the school system is suffering for that. Where as private schools pay more in return your job is dependent on how well your students preform.

Djad2410 ,

Correct again, but is a union needed in every situation and how do a corporation counter balance a union

Djad2410 ,

Yes life isn’t far and people get different lots in life but in the case of Elon he’s done something with what he was given and you have poor people who used their lot and hardship to make something of themselves. Wealth doesn’t start out of thin air someone had to be the first and someone competent had to carry on the torch.

Djad2410 ,

Elaborate, there is nothing wrong in what I’m saying it’s the American dream. It’s why so many people fight to get into America and you don’t see many people leave.

Djad2410 ,

The last time I checked if you don’t want to follow someone as an individual it’s within your right to block them. You don’t need a centralized company blocking something from everyone that you don’t like.

Djad2410 ,

It’s impossible to fully prevent the issue so the only thing you can hope for is that must people don’t see this. These companies don’t really care it’s just some woke agenda that whey to be pushed/enforced and if you play ball they won’t care, Before Elon there was a bunch of CP on twitter that went unchecked and they didn’t care. So, why are they not pulling ads from Instagram and Facebook, both of which have people policing the platform, which arguably has smaller or more of the same things that they claim to have issue

Djad2410 ,

What’s there to say at this point other then just to say we can agree to disagree.

Djad2410 ,

Only thing I can say is we’ll see how it plays out in court I could be wrong, but at the end of the day we’re just bench sitters in all this

Djad2410 ,

I’m not trying to be rude or close minded here but before Elon Musk, Twitter was a left lining platform, and there was blatant proof of right wingers being banned or censored on the platform. Before he even took off for the platform, a lot of people are gunning for him, and for the company to fail under him simply because he wanted to make it open for everyone. I don’t agree with all of his decisions, but considering the circumstances that he was in when he took over the company I don’t see what else prove my point, there was even leaked documents, showing FBI involvement and censor in American people which is a first amendment violation.

Djad2410 ,

No, his more of a Steve Jobs, in that he knows how to get the right people in a room and get investors to invest in his companies.

Djad2410 ,

Yes, that’s correct but a year or two back he did liquidate some of that money and to pay taxes. I thing he’s the record holder for having to pay the must taxes at once by a single individual.

Djad2410 ,

I understand market manipulation and antitrust for example Amazon has had many antitrust and market manipulation cases levied against them for their so called market competition.

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