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0x4E4F OP ,

Arch is good, no doubt 👍.

Void is better 😁.

0x4E4F OP ,

Look at the sub in which this is posted 😉. That was the joke 😉.

0x4E4F OP ,

Look at the sub 😉.

0x4E4F OP ,

Yeah, I don’t think everyone got that from the pic 😂.

0x4E4F OP ,

Wow, this is so well explained, I’m making it my personal copypasta!

0x4E4F OP ,

The whole point is the setup 😒.

0x4E4F OP ,

You could always try Void 😁.

0x4E4F OP ,

Just use Fedora then 🤷.

0x4E4F OP ,

Me personally, a lot. I work on 4 different rigs (inlcuding latops) and yes, for me, it does save time.

0x4E4F OP ,

Hahahah 🤣🤣🤣… good one 🤣.

0x4E4F OP ,

Look at the sub 😉. They switched to xbps 😁.

0x4E4F OP ,

Faster, more stable, no systemd, supports musl and architectures not usually supported by most distros. It’s probably the most stable rolling release distro out there.

0x4E4F OP ,

Not true, doesn’t work well at all. It’s bloated and full of bugs.

0x4E4F OP ,

Runit is even easier than doing things in systemd.

youtu.be/PRpcqj9QR68

It really is that easy. Runit is probably the simplest init/service manager there is out there.

0x4E4F OP ,

No, I just don’t like systemd. It’s bloated and full of bugs. Just because almost every distro out there uses it, doesn’t mean it’s good.

0x4E4F OP ,

Yes, there are basically 2 builds for every architecture. One is glibc, the other is musl. I haven’t used the musl builds that much, just toyed with them a few times (mainly because of lack of software), but if you only use open source software that doesn’t specifically depend on the GNU toolchain, yes, you can daily drive it, no doubt there. And yes, it is faster than the glibc builds.

0x4E4F OP ,

Not just musl, software that depends on systemd (or parts of it) as well.

We also need to patch binaries as well sometimes 😁. It is fun though, cutter and/or iaito are great tools.

0x4E4F OP ,

Some patches are there for software that reauires systemd or parts of it.

0x4E4F OP ,

Void runs even faster, I’ve tried (on an older RPi, but still).

0x4E4F OP ,

Repackaging is easy though with xbps-src.

0x4E4F OP ,

Lol, that’s normal in Arch, Void, Gentoo, LFS.

Almost every proprietery software there is out there has only Debian/Ubuntu packages, yet we run them in Arch, Void, Gentoo… as long as the dependencies are there, it doesn’t matter what distro you run the software on.

0x4E4F OP ,

The syntax is a bit different, but everything else, more or less the same. In fact, if you just wanna repackage a deb or an rpm, it’s even easier than in Arch, xbps-src can handle deb and rpm automatically, it detects dependencies and does repackaging on it’s own. You basically just have to feed it the deb/rpm file in a one liner, that’s it.

I should probably give an example. Here is the template file (they’re called templates in Void) for Viber. You basically just feed it the deb, do a vcopy (copy operation specific to xbps-src) and that’s it, everything else regarding the repackaging is done automatically by xbps-src.

0x4E4F OP ,

OK, I have to admit, i kinda fell for it 😂.

0x4E4F OP ,

No, just bootup and general responsivness of the system. Software is still compiled by the ssme compilers used in other distros. Everything is not magically faster.

Though on the musl build, yeah, it is faster. Trouble is, you can’t run glibc software on it. Through chroot, yeah, but natively, no.

0x4E4F OP ,

Closing handles on services that for god knows what reason, just hang. Also stopping and starting services again doesn’t always work as intended.

0x4E4F OP ,

Meeh, it was funny… not a meme per say, but still, funny 😁.

0x4E4F OP ,

How does xbps-src handle dependencies?

Regarding feeding it rpm/deb packages, it reads the dependencies from the deb/rpm package and uses the equvalent names in shlibs (shared libraries). That’s basically a list of libs that some applications expect to find, so xbps-src just makes a symbolic link to the equvalent lib with the name that the app expects to find. Look at the example I gave above with libtiff.

Regarding everything else built from source, there are 3 types of dependencies, since the packages are built in a chroot: hostdepends - dependcies that are requires by the chroot system, makedepends - dependencies that are required to build the package, depends - dependencies that are required to run the package. The ones that are required just to run the thing are the just depends, the other 2 are required for building only.

What happens if a dependency is not available in the Void repos?

You find the equivalent lib in Void (the xtools package is a great help for a lot of things, including repackaging), add it to shlibs and that’s it. If it’s proprietery or Void doesn’t have it (higly unlikely if it’s open source… I have yest to run in a case like that), you have to put in the template as a distfile (if proprietery and only binary versions are available), or you have to compile from source (also done automatically by xbps-src once it detect there are distfiles for the lib and is not present in the repos).

Building from source is also easy in most cases (when no patches need to be applied). xbps-src has build styles (gnu-make, meson, etc.), so you just define that in the buildstyle parameter and it does everything automatically, including adding missing build dependencies.

xbps-src goes through a lot of trouble to make packaging and building as automatic as possible.

0x4E4F OP ,

I’m also a fan of centralized places to handle things (I prefer having just one package manager, not the package manager and flatpak and pip and god knows what else), but there are other init/service managers.

0x4E4F OP ,

You must be running hardware not older than 4 or 5 years. Try running it on hardware 10+ years old.

0x4E4F OP ,

I think you’ll like it 😊.

0x4E4F OP ,

No Void 😔.

0x4E4F OP ,

IDK, depends on the CPU architecture… I’m not that famlilar with Macs, but if it’s x64 capable, yeah, no problem.

I think there was a list of supported architectures on the website 🤔…

Can’t find it now. Anyway, x86, x86_64, ARMv6/v7/v8 are all supported out of the box. PPC is also supported, but you have to build everything yourself from scratch (there was one maintainer that maintained a PPC build, but he gave up on it a year or so ago, he went on to form Chimera Linux), which can be done by crossbuilding on any of the supported architectures using xbps-src… but that’s a lot of work to be honest, if it’s a PPC architecture, you’re better off using Chimera Linux.

I do recommend trying the glibc version first, since you’d have to run everything that depends on glibc in a chroot, on a musl install. Yeah, it is doable, but if you’re not really experienced with this, just use the glibc version.

0x4E4F OP ,

Yes, that should be possible.

But, I would first try the naked Void install with additional firmware. lspci and lsusb should point you to which manufaturer you’re missing drivers for and you can install the additional firmware from the non-free Void repo, (you can add that manually to the repos, it doesn’t come bundled with it). If that deosn’t work, hey, you can always try repackaging 🤷. Just remember to remove the non-free firmware first, so it doesn’t conict with the repackaged stuff from RH (yes, things like firmware packages or drivers can conflict with each other, especially since you’re taking them from a repo xbps knows nothing about).

Yeah, just test it out on old x86 hardware, that’s what I did at first as well.

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The maintainers? Yeah, I completely agree. No one actually likes any of them… as far as I’m aware… typical Linux geeks, my way or the highway.

0x4E4F OP ,

OMG, I laughed so hard I woke up my wife and kid 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.

0x4E4F OP ,

Read on the Mint forums a thread a while back, like from 2012 I think… someone had the same scanner as me and wrote to Hamrick about it, see if it’s supported. Unfortunatelly, no, it’s not… though this was a while back and maybe it’s supported now, who knows, will have to try I guess to know for sure.

In any case, VueScan has some generic drivers in it, but it’s far from that it supports every device out there. In general, it needs drivers for it to work, no different than any other scanning application.

0x4E4F OP ,

Keeping a Pro or a Home install up to date is not always a good thing. From a security standpoint, yes, I do agree, but when half your personal files go missing after an update… you kinda start wondering why you let this thing update automatically in the first place.

LTSC editions though, yes. I leave them to autoupdate. They do it like once a month anyway, so it’s not that big of a deal anyway, it’s not really such a big problem. And the updates don’t take that long, no new features are added, just security updates and that’s it.

So, if you’re worried about security and being up to date, I’d recommend the Windows LTSC editions. That is the only thing I ever install if I have to install Windows.

0x4E4F OP ,

Home should never EVER be touched, period.

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So I’m curious why do you think it’s wrong?

Most teenagers are too young at 14 to know how the consequneces of their actions might reverbirate in their lives. Sure, they might feel up to the task, but ask any saman of any tribe, 18, 19 is the age when you actually get to be called an adult. Yes, they still lack eperience, by they make up for it by having youth. You put tyem in risky situations so they learn. Old people aren’t wiser, they just have more life experience.

So, my conclusion would be, 14 is too young (in general, doesn’t mean there aren’t 14 year olds thinking like 20 year olds). 16… depends, but with proper guidnace, a lot better than 14. So… yeah, I would be willing to lower the bar, IF parrenting wasn’t seen as a role, but as a duty (this is a diffeent converstaion).

This is unusual, but it’s not wrong. So why would big age gaps be wrong for a teenager and an adult?

The reasons I explained above: not enough life experience.

After all we accept that teenagers should be able to have control over their own bodies (at least in most of Europe and most of US). So shouldn’t it be their decision?

That “control” is mostly imaginary (as it should be), They THINK they’re in control, but when pushing comes to shoving, they always call the parrents (again, as it should be). There is nothing wrong with that, their parrents know them best (or at least how things should be) and they probably know why they did what they did (again, in this world, this is a best case scenario… these things should be REALLY, realy analyzed by people far smarter than me). So, the assumption is, shit happened, they’re young, they can lie out of spite, which makes thigs even harder… let’s find out what happened 🤷.

Sorry for posting such a long comment on an old post. I just realised how insane the whole hate campaign against RMS was, because he is right about most of the things he was criticised fo

As I said, I would agree about SOME of the things (I would call them sane defaults) he said, but not everything. 14 is too young in most cases. 16… I could probably start debating in that.

0x4E4F OP ,

16 or higher, yes. But, the age gap shouldn’t be too big at that age as well. My personal opinion, 10 years at that age, max. Anything above 25, add whatever age gap you wan’t, they are adults in the true meaning of the word.

Is it possible that you are thinking that, because age of consent is very high in your country?

Hm… maybe. After all, I was raised that way.

But still, I’ve seen how much teenagers at that age have going on up there, they’re just thrill seekers at that age, they really don’t know anything about life, they could easilly be fooled by someone older than them.

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