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afraid_of_zombies ,

Regression to the mean as the one middle eastern semi-democracy becomes like the rest.

Pity.

bh11235 ,

No one knows how this disastrous game of poker ends. What’s for sure is that the liberal strategy of repeatedly whining “nooo stop if you do this then we swear, all bets are off…” breathed its last living breath today. The bluff has been called. Either the liberals somehow find it in themselves to meaningfully escalate (by which I don’t mean “whine louder”), or these next few years will see the end of what ostensible liberal character Israel has remaining.

mindbleach ,

Fascism only ends one way.

bh11235 ,

Maybe so, but I find I agree with Keynes:

In the long run we are all dead. Economists set themselves too easy, too useless a task if in tempestuous seasons they can only tell us that when the storm is long past the ocean is flat again.

This applies equally well to geopolitics. No one has any guarantee of where this train wreck will be in five years, or twenty or even fifty. That is what I meant.

mindbleach ,

I am not describing the aftermath of a storm; I am describing a storm.

bh11235 , (edited )

I don’t understand. Are you saying that because fascists are morally bankrupt then the lord almighty is sure to intervene this year, turn them against one another, lay waste to their armies through incompetence, seat Netanyahu in a bunker and move his hand to commit suicide? If not, then what are you saying? Or is this just a thing where we declare ominous platitudes to make ourselves feel good about the fucked up world we live in, and hand around upvotes? Personally I am done bathing in the feel-good “fascists must lose, history goes only one way” crap. They must not and it does not. For fascists to lose, anti-fascists need to fight battles and win. Instead they are declaring one-day “symbolic strikes” and crying about how what is happening to them is not fair. These vague appeals to how we live in a just world and the bad guys will just magically get what is coming to them sound sexy, but they do not help at all.

mindbleach ,

… violence. It ends in violence. Not all against the bastards responsible, and not necessarily great for anyone in the near term. Stop reading in some feel-good “nothing bad can come of this!” if you’re so goddamn tired of hearing it, because I said nothing of the sort.

Who the fuck do you think is pointing to World War II as some just and fair sequence of events?

afraid_of_zombies ,

How has shortsighted thinking worked for us? Guess we shouldn’t worry about climate change cause in the long run we are all dead.

bh11235 ,

This doesn’t contradict that. Not worrying about the short term because hey the long term will probably be ok is dangerous. Not worrying about the long term because hey the short term is looking sweet is also dangerous.

afraid_of_zombies ,

I believe I asked a question. Can you please answer it.

Mrkawfee ,

Most likely Keynes wasn’t thinking of existential threats to our civilization when he came up with that quote.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Right. Not like there was a rise of genocidal fascism going on at the time that threatened the entire continent of Europe, Russia, China, North Africa, the Middle East, and a belt from India to the Philippines. Meanwhile there was an aborted coup in the US, and labor riots with terrorist attacks so awful they should be classified as small revolutions. Plus a failure of economic/agricultural policy that left the majority of the US (by land) covered in a dust bowl sending refugees from Oklahoma to the rest.

Nope, none of this was happening. Let’s keep with the short term thinking.

Jimmycrackcrack ,

Man this situation is going to get real fucked up from here on out

afraid_of_zombies ,

Do you think it is too early for the UN to send a letter?

Jimmycrackcrack ,

I think they should get Hans Blix out of retirement to deliver it himself.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Retirement? I thought he was dropped into a tank with sharks.

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