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antaymonkey ,

“Dramatic video”… seems like a stretch.

livus ,
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Destruction of the surrounding environment isn’t the only problem facing the Hongana Manyawa. Their isolation from the wider world means they have little to no immunity to the common diseases we regularly come across in the industrialized world, meaning their population could easily be decimated by an infection, IFLScience reports.

APassenger ,

The Hongana Manyawa are an uncontacted tribe whose name means “People of the Forest” in their language. There are an estimated 300 to 500 uncontacted members of the tribe, as well as 3,000 Hongana Manyawa people who were contacted in the 1980s and maintain some contact with the wider world.

But there was no mention of these thousands of people being decimated…

I’m not a fan of environmental degradation or basically stealing land from a tribe that appears to have been there since… Ever.

I’m just trying to distinguish fact from something that hits slightly off.

livus ,
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@APassenger it's just poor reporting. Of course the contacted ones would already have been decimated back in the 1980s.

Lack of immunity to diseases from other areas is a very common phenomenon, so there's no reason to think this would be different.

A quick google found me this:

As with uncontacted tribes the world over, forced contact has proved disastrous for the Hongana Manyawa. They were immediately exposed to diseases to which they had no immunity – from the late 1970s to the early 1990s, terrible outbreaks of diseases which the Hongana Manyawa refer to as “the plague” affected the newly-settled villages, leading to widespread suffering and even death.

"We had many different diseases when first settled, some of the sickness led to deaths, some people had fever that went on for days and nights and endless coughing for days and even weeks." - Hongana Manyawa man

They were nomadic and the Indonesian government relocated them. Source.

adam_y ,
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Read the headline, thought this was about the lengths people go to to complain to open source coders.

Chariotwheel ,

"My handaxe hasn't been working properly for two months now. I raised the issue back then and there's still nothing. Nothing! Fuck, Open Source, I am getting my next one from Google, these people know how to axe."

APassenger ,

“Axes are now deprecated.”

APassenger , (edited )

“We welcome everyone to try our new solution: Hatchet. Hatchet will be brought to complete parity with our previous solution.”

APassenger ,

“Hatchet will be taken offline three months from now. Monthly unique user counts never rose to expected levels and we cannot justify the continued support costs.

We want to thank our loyal users. We hope to serve you better in the future.”

HerrVorragend ,
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Company that mines nickel for ‘green’ electric cars destroys forest in doing so. Ironic

Diplomjodler ,

Ah yes. Nickel is only used for electric cars. Right. Gotcha.

HerrVorragend ,
@HerrVorragend@lemmy.world avatar

Ah yes. This is how the company apparently justifies it. Right in the article.

Overzeetop ,
@Overzeetop@kbin.social avatar

Marketing: We need to defend this - what's something people are really excited about?

Engineer: Stainless steel; you can't make a good stainless without nickel

Salesman: Oooh - I know! How about nickels? Everybody loves nickels and their worth 5 cents each!

Engineer:

Marketing:

Intern: You know, they use nickel in battery packs for electric cars

Marketing: Oh, right - everybody likes electric cars. Green and vroom-vroom, I love it!

Engineer: You know that electric cars don't go vroom-vroom, right?

Marketing: I'm going with electric cars, it's a feel-good use people will get behind.

Num10ck ,

plenty of nickel used to come from Russia but nyet anymore.

Grimy ,

There’s no sensible argument for the continuation of gasoline cars. Spills are much worse to the environment and the constant dumping of CO2 is literally causing millions of acres to burn.

Fuck off

solivine ,
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You can be mad at both, that was always allowed

Grimy , (edited )

Being mad at both only helps the oil barons. Maybe we can wait until we aren’t setting off a new feedback loop every month before trying to make cars out of sunlight.

Resource extraction and vehicles are going to be a part of our society for a long time. I hate cars but anyone saying “green” ev vehicle with those quotes is the enemy.

Nudding ,

Well no, our future is public transport, if we don’t kill ourselves first, which we will.

Grimy ,

Yes, 100%. But switching to ev right now is literally how we don’t kill ourselves first.

Nudding ,

By using gas and coal energy to mine lithium and nickel? Destroying millions of acres of forest in the process and contaminating God knows how much land and water?

Grimy , (edited )

Like I said, we can concentrate on making cars out of sunshine after we aren’t pumping death into the atmosphere.

Normal cars take resources as well to build and keep polluting non stop after they are built. Even worse, the resources they need just to run are fucking terrible for the environment to extract and use, not to mention the spills. There’s no contest, gas is always worse.

We don’t have time to transition to only public transport while keeping our dependence on oil.

It’s either EVs now and a public transport future, or gas induced suicide.

Nudding ,

We don’t have time

Exactly.

Grimy , (edited )

Whats funny is that is also a big oil talking point. Either climate change doesn’t exist and EVs are stupid, or climate change does exist but it’s too late so it doesn’t matter what we drive. You are being manipulated into having no hopes so the profits keep rolling in, nice.

Nudding ,

I think cars in general are bad. I think fossil fuel executives should be shot. I don’t think you know my opinions as well as you think you do lol.

Grimy ,

This seems to be in line with my thinking, I’m just trying not to play into their hand.

Nudding ,

No dude, I totally get it. Not much you can do except try and explain it to as many people as you can before you become exhausted. Plant as many trees as you can in the mean time and vote green party. Keep up the good fight.

vlad76 ,
@vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

NO! I must side with my political party on all topics! Otherwise I risk having a thought occur.

Grimy , (edited )

I’m against oil propaganda, it has nothing to do with any political party. Gas companies are not your friend.

mrbonejangles ,

Literally Pandora

DessertStorms ,
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

Ah yes, the real life indigenous people who have existed for thousands of years and are trying to defend their way of life - just like in that recent film! 🙄🙄

nevemsenki ,

Where’s the Vault Hunters when you need them?

SheDiceToday ,

Lol, wrong pandora. It’s the shitty remake of dances with wolves, the non shitty avatar movie, and shittier avatar franchise.

nevemsenki ,

There was an Avatar movie that wasn’t shit?

And yea I figured it’s not that Pandora, but I also figured it’s worth a shot. Despite how low they’ve fallen, I’d still rather remember Borderlands than Avatar!

SheDiceToday ,

Hmm, I’d say overall the avatar (blue people) movie wasn’t shit. It wasn’t breaking any new ground in story or such, but the visuals complemented the actors and didn’t break immersion in comedic, unintentional ways. So… mostly just by comparison to the shitty avatar (blue tattoos) movie.

I’ve only finished the first game. I keep getting stalled around mid-game in the second. Now, those games had some humor that didn’t break immersion.

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