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Echo71Niner ,

Businesses as usual, Israeli settlers living on stolen lands rottenly rob, harass, attack, and murder Palestinians and the Israeli settlers who was arrested by the police, will be let go without a charge, as was the case of every single incident before. Israeli settlers are armed to the teeth, and are protected to commit crime.

SCB ,

protected to commit crimes

He literally it arrested right afterward

haaretz.com/…/0000018b-808c-d4ba-a3ab-9a8da296000…

Deebster ,
@Deebster@infosec.pub avatar

Did you read the post you’re replying to?

the Israeli settlers who was arrested by the police, will be let go without a charge, as was the case of every single incident before

spirinolas ,

It’s almost funny how some people, who didn’t follow the conflict before Oct 7th, are so shocked by this. Like this isn’t a regular occurrence in the West Bank…

Salamendacious OP ,
@Salamendacious@lemmy.world avatar

Unfortunately most Americans aren’t interested in international news at all.

ShittyBeatlesFCPres ,

I disagree that it’s not a good source. Obviously, it has an Arab perspective but Al Jazeera English is one of the few TV news sources with journalists on the ground in Gaza (and Lebanon). I’ve found it to be more reliable than U.S. cable news, which has cut back on international reporting and so has been fairly worthless this whole conflict. To me, the quality of reporting on AJ English — not the pundits but the straight news segments — is as high as any other channel.

Obviously, some media literacy and critical thinking is required and you should be aware that it’s a government-backed channel. When it switches to talk shows and more opinionated stuff, it’s very biased (as you’d expect). But they aren’t like RT or Fox News where even the ostensibly straight news bits are pure, uncut party propaganda.

Also, no news source is free of bias. The NY Times is reliable and professional about reporting facts but it’s also going to cover topics of interest to upper class New Yorkers even when it’s silly. They cover student groups at fancy private colleges like they’re prominent NGOs staffed with experts and not a bunch of idiot kids who were born in like 2004 and haven’t been alive long enough to know shit from shinola. No matter where you get your news, you should always be aware of the incentives, target audience, and funding sources.

nyar ,

NYT has been trash for almost it’s whole existence.

Gargantu8 ,

Strongly disagree

nyar ,

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    grue ,

    I disagree that it’s not a good source.

    It doesn’t matter. What matters is that the concern troll succeeded in derailing the conversation in this thread to be mostly about the merits of Al Jazeera and not about the actual topic of the article.

    barsoap , (edited )

    For comparison, the Times of Israel, citing quite a bit of Haaretz (which is generally paywalled I’m not even going to try). By now the off-duty soldier has been arrested which is the actual news in this instance, presumably due to international eyes on the whole wider situation. Israel is generally speaking shit at extending the rule of law to Palestinians, and should Palestinian authorities try to touch an Israeli they get roflstomped.

    There’s left-wing Israeli orgs regularly organising trips into the West Bank to help Palestinians with the harvest specifically to avoid that kind of settler violence as should settlers kill an actual Israeli, even a left-wing one, they won’t get away wich cheap excuses, so they don’t even attempt to.

    Overall, right now, we seem to have a curious combination of fascists being emboldened while simultaneously Israel is trying its darnedest to not be seen as an Apartheid regime.

    BraveSirZaphod ,
    @BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social avatar

    I've been generally supportive of Israel's response to the attacks and do believe that the removal of Hamas is absolutely justified, however, that doesn't change the fact that West Bank settlers are an absolute blight on the country and do nothing but stand in the way of peace. My sympathies for them are extremely limited, and if this does turn out to be an unprovoked attack, this guy is no different than the terrorists from three weeks ago and deserves the same treatment.

    nandeEbisu ,

    This is literally what the UN secretary general was referring to when he said the Hamas attacks didn’t happen in a vacuum. I don’t think the attacks were justified or even effective but it wasn’t some random act, the growth of Hamas comes from Israeli government backed oppression of Palestinians which itself comes after failed peace talks so on and so forth until the birth of civilization (though you could argue until the late 1940s).

    BraveSirZaphod ,
    @BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social avatar

    Exactly, and I also thought the Israeli government's response to that statement was ridiculous. I'm by no means a blind supporter of a single side here, and no one with a functioning brain should be. There's a lot of bad on all sides here.

    notapantsday ,

    People living comfortably here in Germany are flocking to extremist parties, because having to wear a mask during a pandemic or minding the rights of other people makes them feel oppressed.

    The rise of Hamas was absolutely inevitable given the way people in Gaza were treated. If you’re literally fighting for survival and you realize more moderate groups are unable to change anything, you will support extremists out of sheer desparation.

    goat ,

    Al Jazeera is an awful source. They’re owned by Qatar politicians, the same who send money and house Hamas leaders. The same that met with media mongrels during Fifa.

    Anything that comes out from Qatar should be taken with a grain of salt.

    Deceptichum ,
    @Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

    Al Jazeera are a rather quality news source, up there with some of the best for sure.

    And they’re no more biased towards their owner’s interests than any other source.

    goat ,

    Al Jazeera are a rather quality news source, up there with some of the best for sure.

    You didn’t read the their mediabiascheck profile then. They’re decently reputable when it’s something that’s unrelated to Qatar, but once as something is Qatar, all their quality goes out the window.

    TWeaK ,

    That’s far from what you said in your first comment. Also, just because the source has a bias doesn’t mean that everything it says is a lie. In particular, this article includes video of Palestinian farmers being chased out of their fields by settlers.

    goat ,

    So use an unbiased source that’s reporting on it and encourage neutrality with media consumption.

    veganpizza69 ,
    @veganpizza69@lemmy.world avatar

    an unbiased source

    I don’t think that the extraterrestrials are sharing news with humans.

    VikingHippie ,

    And if they WERE reporting on us, every other article would start with a paragraph explaining how stupid we are as a species in spite of having so many excellent individuals amongst us 🤷

    Aleric ,

    Apes together dumb.

    VikingHippie ,

    Absolutely.

    moonlit2107 ,

    every single news source on the planet is biased. You either want everyone to only read news sources that you approve of or you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    Hyperreality ,

    Both Russia Today and Reuters are biased. Only someone who's being disingenious or an idiot, would claim that means they're equally biased or that it's somehow close.

    Same thing for Al-Jazeera. Posting an Al-Jazeera link and/or defending their journalistic integrity, undermines any argument you then proceed to make.

    moonlit2107 , (edited )

    Go back to school to learn how to read things with a critical lens instead of throwing away the most credible middle eastern news source. I’ll keep reading the one of the only news sources that opposes the mainstream, pro-israeli narrative.

    Hyperreality ,

    Al-Jazeera isn't anti-Israel. It's pro-Islamist/Hamas. Even the Palestinian authority in the West Bank has complained about it:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_criticism

    Oh, and before you continue to make excuses for Hamas and pro-Hamas media like Al-Jazeera:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/

    https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

    Hamas is arguably an Israeli creation, something Al-Jazeera won't mention. Netenyahu and others helped them grow strong, so they could divide the Palestinian cause, and had an excuse not to negotiate.

    So for years Al-Jazeera was effectively helping Israel's far right. People who aren't entirely unhappy with the Hamas attacks, as it gave them an excuse to start a full blown war and probable annexation.

    It's ok. You wouldn't be the first to fall into that trap. It happened to plenty of people after Iraq, where they grew critical of western media, but then uncritically fell for Russia Today's narrative.

    moonlit2107 ,

    Thank you for posting two news articles that have nothing to do with Al Jazeera and conflating anti-genocide with pro-hamas. You are a shining light of unbiased reporting.

    How could Al Jazeera possibly report on Palestinian suffering, are they evil?

    Deceptichum ,
    @Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

    You didn't even read my comment.

    Literally said that in the second sentence of two sentences.

    goat ,

    hey now you edited your comment, don’t play that game

    Deceptichum ,
    @Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

    I’m pretty sure I didn’t?

    grysbok ,
    @grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    You didn’t. Your post was edited, 4 hours ago. Their response was 2 hours ago, so they should have seen that edit before they posted. They might be on mobile and only see the “edited” indicator, not the “how long ago” note?

    goat ,

    wouldn’t surprise me if it was instance buggery

    grysbok ,
    @grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    So their edit was made on kbim but not picked up by sh.itjust.works until after you made your comment? Maybe. I dunno. Lemmy is a bit of a black box to me sometimes.

    Hyperreality ,

    Al Jazeera are a rather quality news source, up there with some of the best for sure.

    No.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_criticism

    moonlit2107 ,

    I guess if it has a wiki page dedicated to controversies it must be an invalid source

    …wikipedia.org/…/List_of_The_New_York_Times_contr…

    Hyperreality ,

    No, you also actually need to read the article.

    trash80 ,

    Al Jazeera are a rather quality news source, up there with some of the best for sure.

    Al Jazeera is certainly capable of producing quality news coverage. However, they don’t always do that.

    www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48335169

    mediaite.com/…/al-jazeera-paints-palestinian-gunm…

    …alarabiya.net/…/Al-Jazeera-ridicules-beheading-o…

    The bombing of al-Ahli hospital on October 17, in which some 470 Palestinians were massacred, enraged the Arab and international public, forcing the Arab regimes to react with a bit more resolve.

    aljazeera.com/…/arab-leaders-must-walk-the-talk-o…

    In dehumanising the Palestinians, Biden has surpassed Trump

    When Joe Biden won the presidential election in the United States three years ago, there were some hopes within the pro-Palestinian movement that there would be a positive change in US policy on Palestine. Biden’s predecessor, Donald Trump, had headed a fascist administration that had fully adopted the programme and vision of Israel’s far right. It was believed to be the worst American government for Palestinians … until now.

    Today, Biden has fully embraced Israel’s genocidal aggression on Gaza, approving of the complete blockade that has cut off electricity, water, food, and medicine, and justifying the daily slaughter of hundreds of Palestinian civilians.

    He has covered up Israel’s war crimes and parroted Israeli propaganda, including the claim that its army did not target al-Ahli Arab Hospital, where more than 470 Palestinians were killed. He even questioned the death toll in Gaza, atrociously implying that Palestinians are lying.

    aljazeera.com/…/in-dehumanising-the-palestinians-…

    capital , (edited )

    The network’s anchors and reporters have hewn closely to Hamas’s preferred vocabulary for the conflict, speaking about “resistance fighters” battling against an “occupation army.” One of Al Jazeera’s most prominent journalists, Majed Abdulhadi, celebrated Hamas’s attack as it happened by reciting a kind of prose poem: after rhapsodizing at length about the astonished surprise of an Israeli soldier who was captured in his tank, Abdulhadi concluded that, “in one fell swoop,” the assault had “wiped away dark layers of despair.”

    www.newyorker.com/…/the-hamas-propaganda-war

    Read that and then read some of the comments here.

    Edit: man, people really don’t like hearing the truth hu?

    NoneOfUrBusiness ,

    I mean true enough but are you really surprised Israeli settlers are shooting innocent Palestinians? This has been the case for more than 40 years.

    goat ,

    nah, im not surprised. just think should be using better sources

    Hyperreality ,

    I mean, it almost certainly happened.

    But if I posted an article from Russia Today about how smoking's bad for you, that wouldn't make Russia Today a reliable source.

    Good propaganda mixes truths with lies.

    Salamendacious OP ,
    @Salamendacious@lemmy.world avatar

    timesofisrael.com/palestinian-shot-dead-by-settle…

    goat ,

    thank you that’s much better

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    goat ,

    whoa that’s a lot!

    Annoyed_Crabby ,

    How can Hamas do this.

    NoneOfUrBusiness ,

    No no you don't get it. Bilal was also Hamas. Hell, even the fourth letter is the same. The olive is a double-use substance that he was gonna used to make rockets with less fat.

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