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mathemachristian ,

So cutting of food and water doesnt even hurt Hamas it’s just to be cruel to civilians?

ryathal ,

Historically besieged armies didn’t starve their own citizens, everyone starved.

Norgur ,

Yes, but the civilians starved before the army did. That's what we're seeing here.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Yep.

mlg ,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

You know I somehow doubt this considering hamas didn’t mount a permanent offensive of any kind

They literally raided for less than a day and than ran back with hostages. No way they’re just sitting on stockpiles of fuel and resources if it couldn’t be immediately used, and they were aware that everything was going to get intensely bombed anyway.

Yeah they probably do have stockpiles, but nothing substantial.

Even the article mentions the released hostage who saw them eating the same one meal a day of bread and cheese.

shatal OP ,

They literally raided for less than a day and than ran back with hostages

That’s incorrect - the Israelis continued to capture and kill them inside Israel even a week after the attack. Some of the terrorists came with provisions that were meant to last for a long time, until the area calmed down, and then to launch a second attack from the inside.

Hamas released videos from the tunnels showing stockpiles of weaponry and supplies. The hostages also testified that they showered every other day, while the rest of Gaza is essentially cut from water supply. Those water had to come from somewhere.

Mrkawfee ,

US and European press coverage on Gaza is totally discredited. They just parrot Israeli talking points. Go to Al Jazeera English if you want to know what’s going on.

shatal OP ,

Al Jazeera is a Qatar funded news outlet, and the Qatari government has tight relationship with Hamas. I would take their reports cautiously.

Reuters and AP are the most unbiased it seems, but it’s always a good practice to follow multiple outlets - both pro and against each side.

downpunxx ,
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When 4000 "Palestinians" storm the Israeli border to rape, slaughter and burn close to 2000 Jews, after 18 years of making Gaza into a terrorist Disneyland, and wanting nothing but exactly what happened on October 7th, they're get what they asked for. They think the worlds opinion, who looked the other way while 6 million Jews were chewed up and turned to ash by the Nazi Reich, is going to matter a single fucking bit.

Those poor poor "Palestinian" cinnamon rolls, done nothin to nobody, here let us help you us, show us where the bad Jews hurt you.

The Muslims get what they accept, same in Kabul, as in Tehran, as in Beirut, as in Damascus, as in Sannaa, as in Riyadh, as in Gaza City and Rafah. But but but it's the Jews abusing the Muslims, don't you know, it the Jews, the Jews.

mathemachristian ,

40% of the people in Gaza are underage. 50% under 20. The IDF is starving and bombing literal children. For days on end. And not since the Al-Aqsa flood either. Way before that.

The muslims get what they accept

Well too bad for you they dont accept the Nakba

JoeBigelow ,
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You should talk to a professional about your world view because it’s pretty unhealthy.

Norgur ,

Is it just me or does the well-studied victim-play here actually weaken the arguments presented instead of strengthening them?

I know I shouldn't argue with... how do I put this... devoted people like that, but I can't resist....

They think the worlds opinion, who looked the other way while 6 million Jews were chewed up and turned to ash by the Nazi Reich, is going to matter a single fucking bit.

"looked the other way", eh? That's impressive. Because for people who looked the other way, their accuracy was pretty good while they reduced the whole of Germany to ruins in order to stop the Nazi monsters who did this.

I wouldn't even have answered had you not brought up the Nazis (as patriotic people from Israel tend to do). The immeasurable crimes inflicted onto the world by the Nazis is not empowering Israel to lash out like it does. On the contrary. Among the Israeli I know are quite a few that continuously bring up the Shoa with me (I'm German) and now use it to vaguely make up excuses for what happens to the inhabtiants of the Gaza strip.

But shouldn't you of all people, you who are so keen on "keeping the memory alive" rise up immediately when you see how Ghettos in Warsaw and the Gaza strip share all too many similarities?

Shouldn't you of all people know the pain of being prosecuted and down-trodden just because someone decided out of the blue that you belong to the enemy now?

Shouldn't you of all people know the suffering, the hunger, the never ending pain of going without food and water?

Hamas needs to be stopped. Hamas needs to be prosecuted. With all the might you have. Yet, declaring all people in that region to be active Hamas criminals (like you did) is in itself criminal. This habit of dehumanizing whole poplulations out of a victim-mentality is one of the most effective rationales in the toolbox of the one evil you should recoil from copying. It's what Joseph Goebbels was so disgustingly proficient at.

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Hamas has hundreds of thousands of gallons of fuel for vehicles and rockets; caches of ammunition, explosives and materials to make more; and stockpiles of food, water and medicine, the officials said.

The Arab and Western officials who described Hamas’s supply situation all spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were disclosing information gleaned from human sources, communications intercepts and other streams of intelligence.

While the blockade has left Gaza’s roughly 2 million people scraping by with what little food and water they scrounge up, it does not yet appear to have begun to degrade Hamas’s ability to fight.

Israel has so far refused to allow any fuel to be delivered to Gaza, even as other aid begins to trickle in, leaving much of the enclave without electricity to power hospitals, desalinate or pump water, fire bakers’ ovens and run internet and cellphone services.

The United Nations, which handles the bulk of humanitarian relief work in Gaza, said on Thursday that it “has almost exhausted its fuel reserves and begun to significantly reduce its operations.”

Yocheved Lifshitz, 85, a freed hostage, said that while in captivity she ate the same single meal that Hamas fighters eat every day: pita bread with two kinds of cheese and cucumber.

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