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HelixDab2 ,

Okay, let’s go with your hypothetical.

If Hamas had all of the political power in Israel (and let’s call it Hamasitan just to avoid confusion), and had stolen land from Jews that had lived in Hamasistan for hundreds of years, had corralled them into Gaza, et cetera IT WOULD STILL BE WRONG. You seem to think I’m defending the Palestinians because they’re Palestinian. I’m not; I’m defending them because Israel is committing atrocities from a position of power. If Hamas had the position of power, and was doing the same thing to Jews, it would be every bit as wrong as it is now.

So your plan is to reward the palestinians for their attack?

Your plan is for the Israelis to continue to hold on to what they have unjustly, illegally, and immorally taken?

It’s not a “reward” to return a thing to someone after you have stolen it from them.

Which land? Because for many people, the stolen land is the entirety of Israel.

Go back to the 1947 UN lines. That would be a compromise that both sides would be equally unhappy with.

Do you think black people got rights in the US because of black people violence?

Do you really think that the Civil Rights movement was peaceful? Did you forget about the Black Panthers, or Malcolm X? Have you forgotten just how many race riots there have been in US history? Or were you simply never told about them? Hey, remember that time when Philadelphia bombed–literally bombed–a few city blocks because of black militant separatists?

You are not wrong but you do realize that this attack only empowered the right wing israelis, right?

There is nothing that doesn’t, because we keep funding them, regardless. The Gov’t of Israel literally funded Hamas and turned them from a tiny fringe group to mainstream, because groups like the PLO and Fatah were gathering too much support. Terrorism is in the best interests of the right-wing gov’t of Israel, because they can use it to justify more and more harms to Palestinians.

But Iran doesnt want KSA/Israel to become stronger/more stable, so they nuked this relationship by getting Hamas to do what they did.

I think that it’s more likely that Netanyahu allowed the whole thing to happen, since he’s currently under indictment. And it allows him to push through more of his power-grabs, which he’s already done in part by crushing opposition to his attacks in Gaza. He wants us to believe that an enormous attack caught Israel flat-footed, something that Hamas would have been training militants for for months. But Israeli security services didn’t catch a whiff of it?

And if Iran funds Hamas, what of it? If Israel gets serious about peace, then Hamas’ anger is blunted, regardless of funding. But Israel hasn’t done fuck-all for peace in a decade.

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