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    trapmaster ,
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    Put me in a sub and I'll find them

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Can you take a few billionaire fucks with you?

    linux_user_6967 ,

    the comments on this post are WILD

    RogueTyre ,

    You weren’t kidding, I ignored your comment and went down but damn couldn’t even get through the whole thing.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    I am sure the world will give 30x resources and attention to this as it did a bunch of billionaire fucks on a submarine joyride to see if a ship that sank is still down there.

    systemglitch ,

    meh.

    galloog1 ,

    Not sure why you are making this political. There is an expectation that a country care for its citizens at sea. That should include the case of migrants, both to and from their country of origin and in support of a nation’s coastline. Don’t start doubting that this is the expectation because you saw a couple rich people get support that people get literally every week in other places.

    aurelian ,
    @aurelian@lemmy.ml avatar

    Situations like this is why countries need to setup safe immigration routes.

    hyperhopper ,

    Not every country wants all immigration though.

    aurelian ,
    @aurelian@lemmy.ml avatar

    Sure everyone wants their own personal castle.

    I just think people can just have some slightly less nice things, maybe instead of buying a f150 truck get a small utility vehicle, stuff like that.

    hyperhopper ,

    As somebody who also is on the fuckcars train, how the fuck did you manage to get on that topic in a response to my comment lol

    electrogamerman ,

    I think you have a big image of how people in rixh countries live. Most people dont live in big houses, most people dont own trucks. Sure the average person has more things than an averga person in a poor country, but the average person is not going to sacrifice their small luxuries, so people from poor countries come to live with them, especially if the people coming dont have studies and are just going to be living frol the government’s money.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    I bet you are fine with banks doing it.

    stappern ,

    are just going to be living frol the government’s money.

    not a thing XD

    electrogamerman ,

    Read about countries social systems. You will learn a thing or two and then you wont speak without knowing

    aurelian ,
    @aurelian@lemmy.ml avatar

    I’m in no way saying the average person should have to sacrifice anything, the problem is that is exactly what your currently being force to do by the people above you.

    Just think of how many people could literally be housed for life with the money spent on Jeffs latest yacht he sailed out of Amsterdam.

    Where talking orders of magnitude difference between the average person and the rich never mind those who are desperately trying to escape.

    El_Rocha ,

    I just think people can just have some slightly less nice things, maybe instead of buying a f150 truck get a small utility vehicle, stuff like that.

    How to tell me you’re a dumb american that doesn’t know Europe without telling me you’re a dumb american that doesn’t know Europe.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Yeah I believe you are a European. Go ahead and tell us what you think of other groups of people. I would say limit it to the places that your ancestors enslaved but that would be everyone.

    El_Rocha ,

    Come on man, don’t be like that…

    You ask me that today that I didn’t bring the family oppression map to work…

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    It is called a globe. Just throw a dart, and if it ends up on a part that isn’t water you found it.

    El_Rocha ,

    You’re wrong. My family was so good at enslaving that we even enslaved the ocean. But then we had to hush the Atlantis incident…

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Haha so funny. Real laugh riot over here.

    El_Rocha ,

    Quick question, do you also say that type of stuff to black people who’s ancestors sold the slaves to my ancestor for a very economically viable price?

    ElmerFudd ,

    Can vouch, my great great grandma used to cook chitlins for El Rocha’s ancestors.

    systemglitch ,

    Wow, like it’s only Europeans who enslaved people. Your ignorance is entertaining.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Every strawman is ignorant. Easier to knock down aren’t they?

    systemglitch ,

    You have anything actually intelligent to say? I’m listening.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Not even going to acknowledge that strawman. Why not? You built him, don’t you owe him something?

    systemglitch ,

    lol

    I hope you have a great day. Take care. :)

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Thought as much.

    How to tell if you are dealing with intellectual honesty kids.

    aurelian ,
    @aurelian@lemmy.ml avatar

    xD wow you think I’m American, you are extremely cold my friend.

    I am a South African who recently ran away to the Netherlands to avoid constant load shedding and rich with sollar panels.

    stappern ,

    “HEY HEY HEY we pillaged all this stuff , that took centuries, now you want it back?!?!?!? the nerves of these people!”

    systemglitch ,

    And maybe you can let some homeless person sleep under your roof. Solidarity right? Help everyone who has less than you.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    What religion are you a member of?

    systemglitch ,

    The religion of agnostic.

    But like I said in my other reply, have a great day. I’m going to do something productive and pull weeds from the yard and never speak to you again. Take care!

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    The religion of agnostic.

    Doubt.

    Roggie ,

    I mean I agree, but apples are red yknow?

    dudebro ,

    Too bad.

    hyperhopper ,

    For the commenter I replied to? Yeah, their premise made no sense: people won’t do things they don’t want to and have no incentive to do.

    dudebro ,

    No, not for the commenter you replied to.

    Can you read?

    stappern ,

    too bad for them

    Derproid ,

    Is personal responsibility just not a thing anymore?

    stappern ,

    ah yes go talk about personal responsibility to people in countries that have been fucked by western powers XD

    lildictator ,

    How about we place a safe route for uncontrolled immigrantion right around where you live? See the problem now?

    S_204 ,

    As a Canadian, we’re welcoming loads of immigrants and have been since the Syria incident blew up a few years ago. Last year was something like a million new people and we’re a nation of around 40m, so it’s not an insignificant number. We’re not slowing down nor should we.

    Data’s are showing this is a net benefit to our economy. Personally I see it benefiting our society.

    We definitely have problems that are being exasperated by the influx of people, our housing situation is clearly problematic and needs to be addressed but like most cultural and social shifts problems will need to be solved with new ideas for current times. It’s not the immigrants fault the powers that be would rather fiddle with interest rates than alleviate the zoning issues that are a major cause of the housing shortages.

    aurelian ,
    @aurelian@lemmy.ml avatar

    Exactly what I’m saying.

    The best thing is most developed countries are suffering from an aging population, they actually need the immigrants, without them long term the country has a downward spiral coming.

    gnark ,

    Yeah, nah mate. We’ll just get robots to wipe our asses as we go full Wall-E while the rest of the world burns.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Maybe they should die. Really, think about it. The rich countries do everything they can to rest on their previous accomplishments and cut off any future growth. Regardless of what it does to their own young. Spoiled rotten, unable to do anything except teardown what they can’t build.

    If westerns can’t fuck to save themselves from extinction and can’t even stand the idea that they might meet someone of a slightly different background then let them die off.

    Don’t forget we are all going to be millionaires selling each other Bitcoin.

    aurelian ,
    @aurelian@lemmy.ml avatar

    I hate to admit it but I do see the logic in what you’re saying.

    lildictator ,

    There is a huge difference between uncontrolled immigration, where anybody who wants to get in does, and controlled immigration where the host country decides who gets in and under what conditions.

    dudebro ,

    I wish I knew what this comment said.

    aurelian ,
    @aurelian@lemmy.ml avatar

    I’m a South African who has used every ounce of privilege I could to escape to the Netherlands.

    100% I don’t deserve it I have so many friends back in South Africa, some who have doctorates that would be way more deserving than me.

    I am only here due to being privvilaged enough that I could run away while affording all the complications that come from immigrating.

    Where I come from we have a ton of uncontrolled immigration, it’s only dangerous is you don’t look after the desperate people who need help and especially dangerous when you try isolate them.

    When your neighbour is suffering it doesn’t matter how big your wall if you will suffer along with them.

    lildictator ,

    I really doubt that PhDs have any trouble immigrating legally to any developed country using the existing channels. I did it years ago with just a University degree and some work experience.

    What I’m absolutely opposed to is uncontrolled immigration where anybody who feels like it comes to my country. In the same way that I don’t let strangers come to my home without my permission.

    When my neighbor is suffering, I address that problem through means other than inviting them to my bedroom.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Go right ahead. My area is full of old people living in plastic McMansions, driving trucks they don’t need, eating at franchise places that serve microwaved crap. I would love to see the types of communities and commerence here as I did in southeast Asia.

    stappern ,

    no,please do

    lildictator ,

    I want to let people in who will contribute to our social system more than they take from it. This is achieved through a selective process, not by opening the doors to whoever wants to live here. That simple.

    stappern ,

    I mean convenient for you after we got everything from them without giving anything back.

    Now we sit on their stuff being like “you can come,you can’t” based on out made up definition of useful? XD pretty fucking convenient

    lildictator ,

    I am an immigrant myself. I followed the law. I did everything I was asked to do. Excuse me if I’m indignant at the idea of other people getting in illegally after all the effort and years it took me.

    “How fucking convenient”.

    stappern ,

    It doesn’t mean shit. You had the means clearly. Other people don’t.

    lildictator ,

    “How fucking convenient” that they think the laws don’t apply to them.

    “How fucking convenient” they get to pick and choose which country to live in, instead of the other way around.

    “How fucking convenient” that you move the goalposts as you are proven wrong.

    electrogamerman ,

    There are. I moved from a third world country to a rich country without problems. I have now a safe job and I contribute back to society. No need to risk my life in a boat.

    Marsupial ,
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    Fucking lucky you mate, want a gold star?

    For many people it’s not safe enough to stay where they are why they wait the 10-20 years it takes for the “official” route to let them in.

    electrogamerman ,

    You want a consolation prize?

    It’s not the rich countries fault that for many people its not safe in their countries. The rich countries are accepting a lot of people, and there are routes for same immigration. These countries cannot take everyone and anyone, or else they would collapse. Its not hard to understand.

    Marsupial ,
    @Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

    It’s not the rich countries fault that for many people its not safe in their countries.

    Care to point out which current unsafe country doesn’t have it’s recent history involving Europeans fucking them over?

    Also rich countries take a pittance in compared to countries neighbouring conflicts, where’s your concern about sharing the load there? Rich countries can do far, far, far more than they are without collapsing.

    aurelian ,
    @aurelian@lemmy.ml avatar

    Your first comment made me think I would not agree with you but you have won me over.

    I come from South Africa and watching the Dutch and the amount of resources that goes to just cleaning up from a single town party it’s clear that so much more can be done.

    Third world countries aren’t under developed they are overly exploited.

    aurelian ,
    @aurelian@lemmy.ml avatar

    Oh one country worth mentioning is the Philippines, they got fucked over by the Americans instead XD

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Care to point out which current unsafe country doesn’t have it’s recent history involving Europeans fucking them over?

    Thailand? The only country that was never ruled by the west or in the west. Still very poor but you did ask and I answered.

    stappern ,

    It’s not the rich countries fault that for many people its not safe in their countries

    in a lot of cases it LITERALLY is.

    IveGotRedOnMe ,

    Read a book.

    aurelian ,
    @aurelian@lemmy.ml avatar

    I wouldn’t say I did it with no problems but you can certainly do it, as long as you have everything align for you and you have what ever the people in power want 🙂

    I lucked out but many of my friends have no such opertunity.

    electrogamerman ,

    These people in power are NOW the people in charge of making the country where you live better. Its not they vs us.

    I sometimes donate to my home country and/or promote touristic places fromy my country. What do you do to help people from your home country, other than expecting others to open easier immigration routes?

    aurelian ,
    @aurelian@lemmy.ml avatar

    And those people where also the same people that exploited where I come from.

    It’s honestly pretty ironic that the home of the Dutch is where I ran away too.

    On my end I do what ever I can, mostly education, I’m currently working on mentoring contacts back home in technical skills to hopefully give them a leg up ^⁠_⁠^

    stappern ,

    “look at me i was lucky!”

    electrogamerman ,

    “look at me i was unlucky!”

    stappern ,

    Never said that… Wanna try again?

    gnark ,

    Spain already has a large immigrant population. And is accepting of refugees too.

    If given the choice to freely immigrate to the developed world, what percentage of the billion of people in poverty in Africa would choose to do so?

    salgueiro32 ,

    I suppose you are from Spain, so you can freely work anywhere in the UE. Germany, for example, is way richer than Spain, companies up there pay way more than the ones in the south. If your argument about free immigration is correct, millions and millions of Italians, Greeks, Spaniards… .are already living in Germany or the Netherlands, right?

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