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bobman ,

Doesn’t surprise me.

Franzia ,

This reads as a story from 15 years ago. Scientists, among all us, should be able to design a safe working environment, with proper oversight. For fucks sake. Even the HR in Antarctica is broken.

Ubermeisters ,

“HR” isn’t broken, it’s people that are broken. We shouldn’t need specific departments to keep people from sexually assaulting each other.

Franzia ,

True, thank you for this

bobman ,

Just like we shouldn’t need police and laws against murder.

Unfortunately, that’s not the world we live in. We do need these things. Expecting people to do the right thing out of the goodness of their hearts is naive.

Corkyskog ,

Yeah this headline and even bot summary downplay all of this. Rape allegations were being automatically changed to “harassment” and one woman felt it necessary to carry a hammer in her sports bar or on her person to defend against rape…

Kecessa ,

They won’t stop serving alcohol because it would make the jobs unappealing… Maybe they shouldn’t want the kind of employees that find deployment appealing only if alcohol is available, but that might just be me 🤷

electrogamerman ,

Who else would like to live in Antarctica tho?

morphballganon ,

As someone who drinks, living in a temperate climate, I imagine the desire for alcohol would go up in a cold region.

johnlsullivan2 ,

As someone from Wisconsin you would be correct

Kecessa ,

I’m sure they’re able to find tons of sober candidates and from what we can read in that story, they would probably have more women candidates if it became a “dry town”, especially for a second round living there as I’m sure none of them want to go twice unless it’s as a couple.

morphballganon ,

I mean, alcohol is something I like, regardless of where I live. Why should Antarctica suddenly make me stop liking beer?

Kecessa ,

Because they have the proof that allowing people isolated in a small group for extended periods of time to drink alcohol leads to issues including violence and sexual crimes.

If you like alcohol so much that you wouldn’t consider going to work in a “dry town” then chances are that you will end up being exactly the kind of person they don’t need to have living at the research station.

morphballganon ,

That’s conjecture.

Kecessa ,

Did you even read the article?

They know alcohol causes issues and they say so themselves, they don’t ban it because it would be harder to hire staff, they don’t mind the bad consequences including rapes.

That’s a load of bullshit and dry towns and communities already exist for the exact same reasons, they just don’t care about people’s safety. That wouldn’t be asking people to stop liking alcohol, that would be asking them to give it up temporarily and if you’re unable to consider doing that then I’ve got bad news about your relationship with it.

Anyway, it’s not as if it was the only thing people going there have to give up on and it’s not as if you were ever going to work there.

But hey, keep fighting the good fight buddy! 👍

morphballganon ,

You are making some logical leaps. Just because certain rapists like alcohol does not mean everyone who likes alcohol is a rapist.

Kecessa ,

Never said so, but when you’re in an isolated community and you know X causes major issues for a minority you adapt to the weakest links in the chain if X is non essential. Like alcohol.

bobman ,

What percentage of people who drink engage in rapey behavior?

Kecessa ,

How many rape victims are enough to take the easiest preventive measures?

All drunk people don’t cause trouble, all people who cause trouble are drunk… What’s the next step then?

bobman ,

I was just asking if you knew the magnitude of the situation.

all people who cause trouble are drunk

Is this true? And if so, how many?

How many rape victims are enough to take the easiest preventive measures?

Well, if one drunk person out of 100 engages in rape once, do you think that’s reason enough to ban alcohol for the other 99?

If 10 sober people do it, should we ban sobriety?

That’s why I’m asking you if you know the magnitude of the situation. If you don’t that’s okay. Just say you don’t know the answer and move on.

Sniper ,

You’re just mad cuz you don’t like alcohol

Kecessa ,

Eh… I have a couple of craft beers every week but I don’t like alcohol?

You might not want to hear that but if you consider that being allowed to drink alcohol is more important than preventing rapes and fights you might want to take a step back and think about how much you like alcohol… Especially since it’s a conversation about an isolated community, not just any other city that people can leave whenever they want to…

Ubermeisters ,

It’s based is what it is

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

CHRISTCHURCH, New Zealand (AP) — The howling winds and perpetual darkness of the Antarctic winter were easing to a frozen spring when mechanic Liz Monahon at McMurdo Station grabbed a hammer.

In reviewing court records and internal communications, and in interviews with more than a dozen current and former employees, the AP uncovered a pattern of women who said their claims of harassment or assault were minimized by their employers, often leading to them or others being put in further danger.

Five months after its release, a woman at McMurdo told a deputy U.S. marshal that colleague Stephen Bieneman pinned her down and put his shin over her throat for about a minute while she desperately tried to communicate she couldn’t breathe.

Kathleen Naeher, the chief operating officer of the civil group at Leidos, told a congressional committee in December that they would install peepholes on dorm room doors, limit access to master keys that could open multiple bedrooms, and give teams in the field an extra satellite phone.

Monahon claims Izzi discouraged her from reporting what happened to the deputy U.S. marshal, in part because it would create jurisdictional headaches and even an international problem, as Buckingham was a New Zealand citizen.

Britt Barquist, who worked as foreperson of the fuel department, told the AP she was attending a safety briefing with co-workers in 2017 when a man in a senior role reached under the table and squeezed her upper leg.

The original article contains 2,837 words, the summary contains 242 words. Saved 91%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

Tuss ,

Bad bot

electrogamerman ,

Bad person

Tuss ,

I meant good bot bad execution.

Kecessa ,

Yeah, this summary doesn’t convert how bad it is, go read the whole thing if you’ve got the time!

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