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paddirn ,

Real science or faked science?

boyi ,

Can you share some examples of fake science developed by China?

Buffalox ,

Why is this downvoted? the article is based on a REAL report by ASPI:
www.aspi.org.au

The report:
aspi.org.au/…/aspis-two-decade-critical-technolog…

If you like graphs here’s a good one:
…amazonaws.com/…/ASPI’s two-decade Critical Techn…

But notice they do not claim China is necessarily leading the fields, only that they are doing more research.
For instance an area like advanced aircraft engines, where China is doing what looks like 5 times more research than USA, USA has worked on that for 80 years, and China is probably still catching up.

But have no doubt, China is a major force in research and technology today.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

And let’s see who the ASPI is since you didn’t really go into that:

In February 2020, Australian Labor Party Senator Kim Carr described the ASPI as “hawks intent on fighting a new cold war.”[29][30] Former Foreign Minister Bob Carr (no relation) said the ASPI provides a “one-sided, pro-American view of the world” and criticised the group for taking what he claimed was almost $450,000 from the U.S. State Department, to track Australian universities with Chinese research collaborations, and “vilifying and denigrating Australian researchers and their work.” Bob Carr’s criticism of ASPI came after ASPI president Peter Jennings had raised questions about the donation of $1.8 million by a Chinese billionaire to a group related to Carr.[31][32] ASPI replied that it “doesn’t have an editorial line on China, but we have a very clear method for how we go about our research,” and claimed that the true amount of State Department funding was less than half that amount stated by Carr.[33][34] ASPI was criticized by former diplomats John Menadue, Geoff Raby, and Bruce Haigh, with Haigh referring to ASPI as serving the foreign policy interests of the Liberal Party of Australia.[35][36] In July 2022 an article in The Economist described ASPI as “hawkish”.[37]

en.wikipedia.org/…/Australian_Strategic_Policy_In…

Maybe that’s why it’s downvoted.

Buffalox ,

Well to be fair, it turned out that we should probably have been more hawkish towards China sooner.
So it seems to me you are arguing against what you say you are arguing for.

Nothing in what you describe shows anything wrong with the report or the article.
There is little doubt that China is spending way more on research than most countries, and being a close #2 in the world on economy, that makes it very plausible that China is in fact #1 in research today, and if we do nothing, China is destined to surpass us.

Silencing that warning is doing work for China.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Nothing in what you describe shows anything wrong with the report or the article.

This is how people defend articles from Fox News.

When the source has been shown to be severely biased, it is enough to not trust the report on its face. You do not have to vet everything they do once you’ve already seen they can’t be trusted.

Buffalox , (edited )

That’s whataboutism, and it’s very easy to point to FOX news spewing lies if you want to.
Just saying FOX news is right wing is not a very good argument against Fox news either.

Do you in fact disagree with the main sentiment of the report? And if you do, then why?
I happen to agree with the report on the main issue, that China is surpassing us on science and technology research.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I can see that China has made major strides in just about every field. For instance China can make their own quality ball bearings, which Russia can’t.

Just as an example of a seemingly minor thing, that has had a major impact on Russia when the west embargoed them because of Ukraine.

It’s OK to warn the report may be biased, but downvoting because you disagree is bad practice.
Downvoting it because it has false info however, is perfectly allright IMO, but nobody has shown that.

wurzelgummidge ,

Maybe if other countries invested as much in their homegrown talent as they do in funding wars, regime change efforts, and genocidal maniacs bombing the snot out of little children, things could be different. Just a thought.

Neon ,

You know, I don’t really think I want a scientifically advanced Russia, just saying.

Buffalox ,

Whether we want it or not, China is already advanced in most fields, and are now way way more dangerous than Russia, literally 10 times more powerful.
Russia without the nukes are nothing near super powers like USA and China.

Deceptichum , (edited )
@Deceptichum@quokk.au avatar

Oh ASPI?, yeah this is just rightwing paid for garbage.

It was started by a right wing PM, and is funded by the defence department and foreign companies, and has offices in New York. Its purpose is to make a report saying whatever the people paying them to make the report want it too.

Gsus4 ,
@Gsus4@mander.xyz avatar

Hah, I thought this was the usual r/sino post, but it’s funny that it is right-wing propaganda. “The soviets are beating us to space” was what got the US to invest so heavily in STEM research in the 60s that it lasted until the 2000s. If this were all the propaganda they did, it would actually be healthy.

Buffalox , (edited )

is funded by the defence department and foreign companies,

OK, I’d suspect they’d want accurate data, so what is your argument that the report is bad?
Your claim is akin to: We can’t trust the report, because they are either left or right wing…

That’s not a good argument.

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