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FlyingSquid ,
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Because god forbid North America have affordable EVs.

xmunk ,

The bigger issue is the bottom of the barrel prices making domestic competition impossible.

FlyingSquid ,
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Sounds like a good reason to nationalize the car industry and not worry about making a profit.

xmunk ,

We Canadians are in a weird place - socialism isn’t a dirty word up here (except as imported from American culture)… but we’re still deep into neoliberalism with both the LPC and CPC being strongly neoliberal parties… the only national party arguably opposed to neoliberalism is the NDP.

Buelldozer ,
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Sounds like a good way to end up making Yugos.

ShepherdPie ,

Nationalize who? The only domestic companies are GM, Ford, and Tesla. This isn’t about protecting those three companies, it’s about protecting all of them.

Takumidesh ,

Yea and that’s more than half of the cars driven in the United States.

masterspace ,

Lmao no. That is not the bigger issue compared to literally continuing to poison the planet with fossil fuels.

That’s North American governments’ stated reason for imposing the tariffs, but that could also be addressed by matching industry subsidies. But I think government understands that the North American auto-makers are intentionally sabotaging the EV market and subsidies likely wouldn’t produce a vastly different result.

Rivalarrival ,

If the Chinese government wants to subsidize my next car, fucking let them.

Blackout ,

I would love it but I don't think the economy could handle the 100,000s of jobs that would be lost. The big 3 can't compete and China charges a similar tariff on our vehicle exports. Only theirs isn't a single fee. They charge a tariff, plus additional taxes and fees, the price can double by purchase depending on the vehicle. China can always start making them here and get around it.

FlyingSquid ,
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If they nationalized the auto industry, why would jobs be lost?

Blackout ,

They don't nationalize anything. Not healthcare, energy, higher education. Lots of things that would make sense to and would benefit us all. Taking over the auto industry feels impossible. Besides I'd rather the government go all out on rail which has more benefits for a greater number of people.

ShepherdPie ,

We do have affordable EVs. Go look at the used market or a new Leaf. PHEVs are plentiful too. This is about preventing China from putting everyone out of business because the Chinese government has deeper pockets than any of the global auto manufacturers that would be affected by this.

nondescripthandle ,

The environment will always come second to the interests of organized capital I suppose.

catloaf ,

Somehow I doubt the Chinese mining and manufacturing is environmentally friendly.

WanderingVentra ,

Transitioning to EV’s is still good for the environment in the long run. It’s not like getting gas and coal is environmentally friendly. China didn’t cause the Enron scandals, BP oil spill, the pipeline shenanigans, etc.

nondescripthandle ,

Show me a lithium mine that is. Less oil is consumed when a consumer switches to EVs

ShepherdPie ,

Nor is building cars in China and shipping them across an ocean and half a continent.

ShepherdPie ,

What’s environmentally friendly about buying a new car?

not_woody_shaw ,

Is this stopping people from buying a new car? Or would they just buy a car from somewhere else?

theacharnian ,
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That’s disingenuous. These are not tariffs on all cars.

yesman ,

China wants to subsidize the transition to EVs in N America. N. America would rather tax their own citizens and risk inflation to protect the profits of capitalists.

And don’t fucking dare tell me this is about jobs. Because if we were on better terms with China, the capitalists would move the factory there.

Buelldozer ,
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China wants to subsidize the transition to EVs in N America.

No they don’t, they want to dominate the next generation of the global automotive industry and their plan involves killing all of the competition in both North America and Europe. It is literally impossible for western auto manufacture to compete because of the pay, worker safety, and environmental regulations that they have to comply with.

If China gets its way every place in North America and Europe that used to have auto manufacturing will look like Detroit.

And don’t fucking dare tell me this is about jobs. Because if we were on better terms with China, the capitalists would move the factory there.

You are attempting to use an argument that is objectively incorrect based on empirical evidence. Auto manufacturers could have moved production decades ago when relations were friendly but they mostly didn’t. The vehicles they built in China were for the Chinese market. The vehicles they built in Europe were for the European market, and the vehicles they built in North America were for the North American market.

Breve ,

It’s because this fight isn’t about the EVs themselves, it’s about the oil industry needing to stop the transportation industry from moving away from fossil fuels at all costs to keep their extremely profitable cartel afloat.

ShepherdPie ,

No it isn’t or domestic EVs would be slapped with extra fees and taxes too.

Breve ,

They don’t have to because the domestic manufacturers are already in bed with the oil industry. They could make cheap EVs, they just don’t want to.

And before you say: Oh but they couldn’t because China’s cheap labour and poor regulations… Well what stops a company like GM from making cheap EVs in China and selling them elsewhere? They already have plants there and in many other countries with cheap labour and poor regulations.

Tja ,

Well, China can move the manufacturing here. Ez.

febra ,

The free market in a nutshell.

NocturnalMorning ,

So helpful…

casmael ,

This does not seem like a good idea to be honest

kaffiene ,

I’m always impressed how capitalists love markets until other people get good at it

Stern ,
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moot point iirc, considering the economic strategy in China is that the gov pays the tariffs.

moody ,

Tariffs are paid by the importers, normally. The final cost to the consumer is then raised by an equivalent amount to offset the tariffs and make a profit.

I’m not sure why anyone else would pay tariffs. Either way, the cost goes up and the government rakes in some money.

masterspace ,

How is that moot? For that to work it would mean that for every Chinese auto sale the Chinese government not only subsidizes manufacturing but also has to give another 100% of the sale cost to the Canadian government.

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