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Darkard ,

“I didn’t want the war to be in MY country!”

Gsus4 ,
@Gsus4@mander.xyz avatar

Leopard 2s eating Z faces right now.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Of course, since, according to the article, you can’t legally say “war” in Russia anymore… they could actually say what they wanted or didn’t want.

Xeroxchasechase ,

I remember a time when people where arrested for standing with a blank white paper

Aielman15 ,
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You are underplaying the struggles of civilians in a war zone just because they happen to live on the wrong side of the border.

Civilians have all the rights to not want war on their country, at their doors, no matter which side of the border they are, and they are allowed to lament the incompetency of a government that hides critical information from them in an attempt to cover up its failures.

The Ukrainians have the right to keep fighting, and I hope they win this war. Putin is a criminal and he must pay for his crimes. This doesn’t mean that civilians caught in the crossfire are being petty.

Diplomjodler3 ,

A lot of Russians support the war, though. Those deserve what they’re getting. And they’re very lucky it’s the Ukrainians invading them, not the Russians.

FlyingSquid OP ,
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But how many of them support the war because the only media available is Russian state propaganda?

doo ,
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the answer is - it doesn’t matter. the biggest learning from the nazi germany was that you don’t need the entire population of a country to be homicidal psychopaths. all you need is a small group of those psychopaths, control or media, propaganda and you get a perfectly functioning system where normal everyday folks go to their normal everyday jobs.

just those jobs are in gestapo. or in maintenance of gas chambers. or making food for the equally confused soldiers.

of course, we should avoid civilian casualties as much as we can (but apparently russian army is not required) but the system needs to be stopped.

russia has cancer. chemoterapy is not a pleasant procedure that affects both ill and healthy cells. the alternative is, unfortunately, to allow that cancer to spread to the entire planet.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I’m just saying we can’t just assume these people would be in favor of the war if they weren’t forced to only consume pro-regime media. I’m sure a lot of North Koreans support the Kim regime because they’ve been indoctrinated since childhood with basically no accurate information about anything, so they just don’t know. But if you read the accounts of the ones who do end up escaping to the south, they’re just floored by how the world really is.

chonglibloodsport ,

“Support the war or go to jail for 10 years!”

How many are going to take the 10 years?

Oofnik ,

Thank you for saying this. People (like the below commenter) dunking on people just trying to live their lives who live in a country where their government fucking sucks is gross and not well thought out. (And even if a lot of Russians support the war, its worth remembering that their access to information is limited, and all nations of people become stupid and nationalist in times of war. That doesn't forgive it, but it doesn't mean they deserve to live in a war zone as punishment.)

NOT_RICK ,
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Consequences are a mf sometimes

AllNewTypeFace ,
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You thought the Russian army would protect you? You must be new here.

JeeBaiChow ,

Er… no. They do what Putin says, and that is not necessarily to protect the Russian people.

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