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eran_morad ,

Fucking good.

givesomefucks ,

Seriously.

The only people with reason to be concerned is the ultra wealthy

At literally every point of modern history, a reduction in the amount of humans was beneficial for the vast amount of humans in the long run.

Like, even the Black Death led to reduced wealth inequality and the beginnings of workers rights.

When labor is scarce, workers get treated better. When there’s a surplus of workers, people are desperate for a job and will work for little.pay in unsafe conditions.

Copernican ,

Wtf. So instead of the rich eating the poor the poor should just eat the poor to improve the labor market in their favor?

ChicoSuave ,

Start with the rich and then move into each other. The rich have all the resources so eating them will free up vast amounts of wealth that will solve the problems of all of us. Food, housing, work; we live in a potentially scarcity free world - it’s just the rich getting in the way.

ech ,

A modest proposal in tough times.

SlopppyEngineer ,

Just don’t breed like rabbits and stay away from religions and political parties that like to forbid anything that goes against popping out babies.

Copernican ,

Can’t believe we have someone getting so many up votes for saying that the black plague was a good thing? Would you say that about all the deaths during COVID? This upvoted edgelord callousness is nuts.

SlopppyEngineer ,

It’s perhaps a bit callous but throughout history tragedy always brings change. Sometimes that’s good change, sometimes it’s bad, mostly it’s a mix of both.

phdepressed ,

If you strike and there’s no scabs for them to hire or the scabs are even more expensive (because they aren’t desperate for a job) then it becomes cheaper to actually give the workers what they want.

It is the opposite of the poor eating the poor. Being educated, having fewer kids later in life makes getting out of the poverty cycle a lot easier for anyone.

Copernican ,

Did you read the comment I responded to saying that the black death was good because a lot people died and as a result created a better labor market? That’s saying death is a good thing to cull surplus labor.

phdepressed ,

I think you’re reading too much into what’s not there. The poster is talking about how less people resulted in the improvement of labor conditions. In the past this has only happened noticeably through large scale death. The black death is probably the most drastic but similar has happened after both WWI and WWII. The difference is that the current labor supply reduction won’t be from death but from reduced births. However, increased power of laborers should at least be similar whether the cause is through death or reduced births. China, Japan, and South Korea are experiencing/are going to experience this first without drastically increased immigration and the rest of the western world isn’t far behind.

Copernican ,

At literally every point of modern history, a reduction in the amount of humans was beneficial for the vast amount of humans in the long run.

Like, even the Black Death led to reduced wealth inequality and the beginnings of workers rights.

I don’t see how someone can claim that the mass death of people is simultaneously beneficial to that people.

There’s a difference in reduction of humans by events that cause death at large scale vs decline in rates of reproduction. Clearly catostrophic death is being used as an example of “a reduction in the amount of humans.”

phdepressed ,

Large scale death events are the only reference we have for the type of population reduction that we are/will be seeing.

Labor supply being reduced while demand remains means that labor is stronger. Whether that supply reduction is due to death, population decline, or other causes is not really relevant.

ChicoSuave ,

There were riots during the Black Death too. Lots of bills and an overtaxed population lead to the Great Rising.

Track_Shovel ,

it’s almost as if the capitalist system doesn’t have our best interests at heart… who would have thought.

Aurenkin ,

Yes we are, but with appropriate precautions.

fluxion ,

But muh free revenue growth

Beaver ,
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The rich will cry though.

nondescripthandle ,

More than cry, they’ll crash the market over their fears of less profit than last year, then they’ll get government aide, and then we’ll pay for it for the next decade until they do it again.

Darkassassin07 ,
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The global population, currently at 8.2 billion, is projected to reach approximately 10.3 billion by the mid-2080s and then gradually decrease to around 10.2 billion by the end of the century, according to the U.N. report on world population prospects released last month.

2 billion more people than we have now isn’t much of a decrease… I don’t know about maintaining that trend long enough to actually decrease from what we have now, which is already overpopulated.

FlyingSquid ,
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Too little, too late.

WhatAmLemmy ,

Climate change means we probably won’t exceed 9 billion anyway.

Once crop failures, drought, and extreme weather cause resource wars, famine, climate refugees, and double digit inflation, the population will start to fall rapidly.

nulluser ,

Yeah. 25% more people than we have now is not shrinking by any stretch of the imagination.

jorp ,

We’re not really overpopulated, we just live unsustainable lifestyles and overconsume especially at the top of the wealth rungs. Why go for population degrowth as the solution before tackling the myriad other city planning, economic, and wealth-inequality-rooted problems?

Is it easier to imagine great famine and to wish for even more declining birth rates than to ask questions like: “should we be moving past capitalism?”

Kazumara ,

That’s a pretty long prediction window, no? I feel like a lot can happen in even just 20 years to mess up any assumptions, like open war between super powers (maybe China and USA over Taiwan), big water migration movements by worsening climate change, new pandemics, countries intervening in their sinking birth rate trends, things like that.

illi ,

Seeing as this will start decreasing in 2080s, I will live through the peak years… at best Iwill be one of the decrease contributors. Yay?

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