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Varyk ,

95% of Japanese rarely or never eat whale.

for good reason; i tried it in japan, its pretty gamey and tough.

Japanese eat between 4000 and 5000 tons annually, only one ounce per person per YEAR on average, and the country throws away 3500 to 4000 tons per year, about 40%.of all harvested whale meat

nationalgeographic.com/…/japan-considers-leaving-…

tiredofsametab ,

They sell it at my supermarket in northern Japan. I've had it at a restaurant I think twice and it was ok; nothing to write home about but I didn't find it gamey or anything.

Varyk ,

“nothing to write home about” is very accurate for how I felt after eating whale meat, too.

VirtualOdour ,

It’s so funny to me when people are like ‘oh yeah I participated in and helped fund this disgusting thing, it’s wasn’t that great so I did it again…’

Most people seem to have no personal morality or shame, it’s so weird.

FlyingSquid ,
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I remember on QI, Jeremy Clarkson said he ordered whale in a restaurant in Iceland and they asked him if he wanted grated puffin on it.

FundMECFSResearch ,

My japanese partner says most people have tried it once or twice but don’t eat it regularly

tiredofsametab ,

I think it was often in school lunches through the early post-war period but was replaced by other things so some boomer era folks are it a lot growing up.

Bananigans ,

The whale in the picture is at the natural history museum in Ueno. It’s a really nice place to visit if you’re ever in Tokyo and you can see taxidermied Hachiko (⁠ ⁠⚈̥̥̥̥̥́⁠⌢⁠⚈̥̥̥̥̥̀⁠)

ShinkanTrain ,

Those savages

Anyway, who’s up for eating a bucket with the wings of 30 chickens that were killed in the same box they were born in

Mothra ,
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I’m up for it but only if it’s a threatened species of wild chicken

ShinkanTrain ,

Ah so it’s not the cruelty that you have a problem with, got it

FlyingSquid ,
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I don’t eat meat, but I really don’t understand how people like you expect to insult people into not eating meat.

Have you ever been insulted into doing something other people want you to do? I sure haven’t.

ShinkanTrain ,

You can eat meat, just don’t be a hypocrite about it and pretend you’re better than other people eating meat because your meat lives in pain neck deep in their own shit before you kill it

protist ,

Cool, so anyone who eats meat should be totally ok with eating whales. Thanks for clarifying that, we’ll stop trying to get people to stop eating whales now thanks to your advice.

ShinkanTrain ,

The options are either that or not eating meat while continuing to try to stop people from eating whales. I support you in whichever you pick.

protist ,

This is called a “false choice,” or “false dilemma”

ShinkanTrain ,

There is another option, I suppose, it’s called “being a giant hypocrite who thinks their cruelty is justified because their culture is superior”

protist ,

Who are you to prevent cockroaches from sharing your kitchen? They’re part of this earth too. Why are you complicit in cockroach genocide?

ShinkanTrain ,

Easy: I don’t give two shits about cockroaches.

If you think cockroaches and chickens are the same, go right ahead. You don’t see me factory farming cockroaches though.

protist ,

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    ShinkanTrain ,

    I do, though? I think they’re both intelligent animals who don’t deserve to have terrible things done to them.

    Edit: Sure, edit your post after you realize you said something dumb without a warning

    What gray area? I don’t care about cockroaches. If you care about them, join the club of people who care about an animal people don’t seem to care about. The difference is I don’t go out of my way to breed cockroaches so I can squash them.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    I really do not understand your “people can be as cruel to animals as they want as long as they aren’t hypocrites” position.

    ShinkanTrain ,

    I’d rather they weren’t, but if it’s so integral to their sense of self that they are, at least admit it and stop looking down on people for not being the same kind of cruel as you.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    From my observation, the only person looking down on people is you. You’re also getting very close to violating our civility rule.

    And no one said anything about their sense of self.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Sounds like you don’t care about animal cruelty either, in that case. As long as you aren’t participating in it.

    Seems to me like trying to convince other people not to do it rather than insulting them might be a better use of your time.

    ShinkanTrain ,

    You’re right, it’s my fault people are doing things I have no control over. Since I don’t like your tone, you have convinced me to try some delicious whale meat, that was very unproductive of you.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Plenty of others have put a lot of effort into convincing people to stop eating meat with a decent amount of success. Do you have some sort of condition preventing you from doing the same? I doubt it.

    Again, it seems to me like you have no issues with animal cruelty, just hypocrisy.

    ShinkanTrain ,

    Seems to me you have more issues with me not being a good boy than animal cruelty. You should spend your time doing something else. Every post complaining about me is another dead animal, chop chop, you’re killing them.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    I thought you would listen to my warning, but I will be more direct: this is going to be your last chance to stop violating civility rules.

    EgoNo4 ,

    What the fuck is up with the Japanese and whaling? Do they eat that much whale meat? Or what?

    tiredofsametab ,

    It's not the most popular but it is eaten. My local supermarket sells it.

    tal , (edited )
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    I think that it’s been a thing for a while. Japan’s an island nation, and harvesting sea life has been important. Probably some people who want it just for tradition.

    kagis

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_whaling

    The oldest written mention of whaling in Japanese records is from Kojiki, the oldest Japanese historical book, which was written in the 7th century CE. This book describes whale meat being eaten by Emperor Jimmu. In Man’yōshū, an anthology of poems from the 8th century CE, the word “Whaling” (いさなとり) was frequently used in depicting the ocean or beaches.

    One of the first records of whaling using harpoons is from the 1570s at Morosaki, a bay attached to Ise Bay. This method of whaling spread to Kii (before 1606), Shikoku (1624), northern Kyushu (1630s), and Nagato (around 1672).

    Kakuemon Wada, later known as Kakuemon Taiji, was said to have invented net whaling sometime between 1675 and 1677. This method soon spread to Shikoku (1681) and northern Kyushu (1684)

    Using the techniques developed by Taiji, the Japanese mainly hunted four species of whale: the North Pacific right, the humpback, the fin, and the gray whale. They also caught the occasional blue, sperm, or sei/Bryde’s whale .

    In 1853, the US naval officer Matthew Perry forced Japan to open up to foreign trade. One purpose of his mission was to gain access to ports for the American whaling fleet in the north-west Pacific Ocean. Japan’s traditional whaling was eventually replaced in the late 19th century and early 20th century with modern methods.

    …nationalgeographic.org/…/big-fish-history-whalin…

    People have been whaling for thousands of years. Norwegians were among the first to hunt whales, as early as 4,000 years ago. The Japanese may have been doing so even earlier.

    metaStatic ,

    anyone up for some actual high seas piracy?

    JimSamtanko ,

    How about…. No.

    Deceptichum ,
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    Isn’t whale meat really unpopular cheap trash meat in Japan?

    girlfreddy ,
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    They added whale meat to vending machines last year to boost consumption. edition.cnn.com/2023/01/24/asia/…/index.html

    unexposedhazard ,

    With some things the Japanese just have the worst fucking ideas. How have they still not understood that overfishing is a problem?

    Reverendender ,

    Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshimasa Hayashi, whose electoral district is traditionally known for whaling, said Thursday the government supports sustainable use of whales as part of Japan’s traditional food culture and plans to promote the industry.

    “Whales are an important food resource and we believe they should be sustainably utilized just like any other marine resources, based on scientific evidence,” Hayashi told reporters. “It is also important to carry on Japan’s traditional food culture.”

    I think Cabinet Secretaries are an important food resource that should be sustainably utilized.

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