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Siegfried ,

Que pedazo de mierda que sos

TokenBoomer OP ,

great argument.

Siegfried ,

Says the apologist siding with a narc-dictator.

And it’s not an argument, it’s a description of who you are.

TokenBoomer OP ,

Gotta source for any of that? A link? Research? 🧐

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
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People will gobble down the spoon fed media narrative very happily without critical thought.

TokenBoomer OP ,

Yes, it’s disappointing when we have John Bolton on camera admitting to a coup.

Gsus4 ,
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Once the US tries to coup you once, every military dictatorship is allowed, so long as it blames the US for everything. Got it.

TokenBoomer OP ,

If the US doesn’t want to be blamed for coups, maybe they should stop trying to topple sovereign governments.

FlyingSquid ,
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The U.S. has caused coups, therefore all coups are caused by the U.S. is faulty logic.

TokenBoomer OP ,

Pooh-Pooh

FlyingSquid ,
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That really is not a rebuttal to your faulty logic.

Gsus4 ,
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So now you decided that the venezuelan population should take one for your “team”. All that was wrong with Pinochet was that he didn’t sing the international socialist, everything else was cool, wasn’t it?

TokenBoomer OP ,

No, it was not:

During the ensuing 17-year rule of Gen.** **Augusto Pinochet, more than 3,000 people would be disappeared or killed and some 38,000 would become political prisoners — most of them victims of torture.

Gsus4 , (edited )
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you missed the point, but let Maduro rule 6 more years and keep the tally. es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foro_Penal if you care

TokenBoomer OP ,

The U.S. doesn’t care about Venezuelan citizens, it cares about oil.

Gsus4 ,
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That’s ok, Venezuelan citizens don’t care about you either.

TokenBoomer OP ,

They shouldn’t, but they should care about foreign interference with their country.

Gsus4 , (edited )
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Eso sí que es la buena interferencia extranjera. 🙈 🙉 🙊

www.semana.com/mundo/articulo/…/202421/

diariolasamericas.com/…/maduro-condena-wagner-el-…

eluniverso.com/…/la-ruta-del-regimen-de-nicolas-m…

…

TokenBoomer OP ,

Esa es la decisión del gobierno Venezolano, no de Estados Unidos. Desestabilizar una nación, solo porque no te gustan sus aliados diplomáticos y socios comerciales es hipocresía y peligroso para la paz mundial.

Gsus4 ,
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jaja, sigue intentando. Para ustedes, nada de malo existe sin los EEUU, todo emana de ahi, los otros son todos santos.

TokenBoomer OP ,

The United States does not have a good record with regards to leaving Latin American countries alone.

Gsus4 ,
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En serio, eres un bot? Porque sigues repetiendo lo mismo y no entiendes, no entra en tu cabeza dura que ni todo lo que pasa de mal en Latinamerica es siempre la culpa de los EEUU. Ustedes morerian si los EEUU disaparecieran y no tubieran nadie a quien odiar y culpar por todo lo que va mal.

TokenBoomer OP ,

Without evidence, the US declares Edmundo González winner of Venezuela’s presidential elections

Elecciones Presidenciales de la República Bolivariana de Venezuela - Comunicado Conjunto de Brasil, Colombia y México

Gsus4 , (edited )
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It would be great if people spoke to Venezuelans about this instead of playing the “US bad” tape. Every opposition party is against this, not just the neoliberals: …com.do/…/partido-comunista-de-venezuela-la-democ…

PS: and this one is related to that too www.bbc.com/mundo/noticias-60120667

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
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Totally, I have read what they have to say. I’ve listen to podcasts interviewing Venezuelans. Thanks

FlyingSquid ,
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Hey everyone, this person knows what’s going on. They’ve listened to podcasts.

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
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Can’t say I’m proud of it.

Eldritch ,

Yes I know our government in the United States has plenty of blood on its hands especially in South america. And as a socialist myself I automatically have sympathy for the Socialists. However I’m not ideologically anything per se at least not anything that’s incompatible with democracy. Something Maduro seems highly incompatible with.

I really wish we’d stay out of it especially announcing anyone as the winner. But by the same token I still want the receipts public and the will of the people represented even if it’s the far right party that won. Because otherwise you go down the path of leninism and all the damage they’ve done.

Gsus4 ,
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I watched the full OEA meeting and there were lots of countries besides the US that had strong words against Maduro’s stunts, particularly countries that used to be dictatorships (some backed by the US) who a democratic Venezuela at the time strongly criticized and cut ties with until they returned to democracy again and these countries now feel like they owe Venezuela the same support at this time. It was very moving. Anybody out there who thinks this is just about the US knows nothing about Latin America’s dark history with dictators.

Eldritch ,

Yep and that is absolutely fine. I just think that the United States isn’t going to make anything clearer or Easier by stepping in. Giving official proclamations and statements. Due to our history with the region.

Gsus4 , (edited )
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Yes, I agree. No troops, support whatever the Latin American states say, they know what they’re doing. Coming out swinging doesn’t help.

wurzelgummidge ,

They are brought up to think that way. If it doesn’t come from a US/Nato approved source it must be propaganda.

Gsus4 , (edited )
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THIS is what you think is real journalism?

Yet today, like a pack of vicious hyenas, the fascist far right – and not so far right – nations and NGOs are howling for Venezuela to release the detailed results immediately. The implication being that there is some sort of fraud or hidden trick. They DEMAND that the Electoral Authority (CNE) release the remaining votes, which the world should know are not little pieces of paper in a cardboard box. In Venezuela the vote is done electronically, the paper trail is only an added security measure to show that someone has duly voted.

How do we know all this? Firstly, because the terrorists are being rounded up, alive, without killing any one of them and they are talking. The terrorists aren’t fighting for any ideology or democracy, they are craven cowards that assault defenseless people, but when caught, fall on their knees crying and telling everything they know to the authorities.

No facts, just a gruesome opinion of people who talk down to voters (who at best misunderstand what is happening) like they are cattle. Don’t forget that even if Maduro’s aggregate results were legitimate, the opposition would have about half the vote, so a worthy leader would do everything possible to be transparent, patient and apaciguador, not this inflamatory fascist bullshit. These people couldn’t spot a fascist in front of them even if it hit them in the head with a shovel.

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