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the path Biden has set – policies that, so far, have only prevented Ukraine from losing without providing it with a path to military victory.

Hogwash.

Ukraine has a path to victory, the political collapse of Russia’s top leadership or them finally running their expansive saved-up war chest and stockpiles of Soviet kit dry.

What is not a viable path to victory is some imaginary scenario where Ukraine accomplishes what Hitler and Napoleon could not, and manages to fully capitulate Russia through military might. That’s woefully unrealistic and would face the nightmare of a land war in Asia, and likely Russian use of tactical nukes against enemy forces on their own land, as put forward in their own doctrine.

So, the grinding path is actually the only path, and there was never any possible Ukrainian victory scenario where this war would go for any less than several years. We are currently at two, that is not very many.

Not that Ukraine needs to pursue victory, if they wish to cede territory for peace, I understand and respect that. The decision should be theirs, though, and we should stand behind them until they make it of their own free will.

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dogslayeggs ,

So two thirds of the country would not give up land for peace.

Also, the reason why so few would agree to what isn’t that simple is because Russia would never respect whatever peace was agreed to.

Phen ,

Recovering the territory they lost in 2004 always seemed so far fetched considering they are defending from an attack that tried to grab even more land. I don’t know much about Ukraine but it didn’t look like they had any hope of getting that land back before this attack so if they could go back to the 2004 borders with some assurance of peace it would in theory be a victory for them here. Of course who knows how long this peace would last though.

All I know is, if my country had lost part of its territory and I had had nearly 20 years to put my life around after that, I probably wouldn’t want to risk all my friends and family’s lifes into trying to get it back. Defending from further aggression is one thing, but have people fight to restore land that was lost before they were born is another.

thetreesaysbark ,

I just had a quick look. What territory did they lose in 2004?

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