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unconfirmedsourcesDOTgov ,

The vast majority of the international community does not recognise Israel’s annexation of the Golan Heights.

Tl;dr Israel is illegally occupying land, and people who used to live there are…

*checks notes*

Upset about it? Weird.

If Israel has a right to defend itself, why don’t their neighbors have the same rights?

D’oh, of course. Britain said it was probably fine, don’t worry about it. Quick, let’s all enforce the insane borders due to our historical tendency to support misguided decisions made by Britain as it’s imperial power contracted and they used the opportunity to fuck over as many Muslims as possible.

As an atheist, all of this bickering over which version of Abraham’s assertion of paternalistic traditions is more correct is exhausting, but if we’re going to try to make a case that liberal institutions are effective, everyone needs to follow the same rules. Israel doesn’t get a free pass because Britain said they were extra special that one time.

To be clear, I’m not calling for the end of Israel. They’re there now and they have lots of guns so maybe don’t fuck with them, BUT we can’t seriously act shocked when Israeli settlers continue to illegally settle lands outside of Israel’s borders and they face resistance. The behavior is abhorrent and should be condemned as such.

uservoid1 ,

Israeli settlers continue to illegally settle lands outside of Israel’s borders

It’s a Druze village established in 18th century, not an “Israeli settlement”. Try to know the difference before commenting.

Eyck_of_denesle ,

Is it still a “Druze village” or an israeli territory?

uservoid1 ,

It’s a Druze village currently in an Israeli territory. Some residents have Syrian citizenship and some Israeli citizenship.

Timii ,

The constant hypocrisy in terrorist sympathizers is getting nauseating.

The UN mandate to declare the State of Israel is BS, but their declaration that occupying the Golan Heights (as a result of a war Israel didn’t start in the first place) is illegal is O-tay,

Palestine has a right to defend itself, but Israel doesn’t,

Collateral damage trying to uproot terrorist cockroaches is ‘genocide’, but suiciding to ensure Israelis die is righteous, and on and on and on and on.

You can literally rewrite your entire post swapping Palestine and Israel for each other, change ‘not’ to ‘is’, and it completely works as the opposite opinion and just as ‘justified’.

I too as an atheist think this whole ‘my fairy tale is better than yours’ BS needs to be settled once and for all. I just think the OG UN mandate settled the issue 80ish years ago. Yet here we are reading ‘oh the humanity’ for people that have been doing, and would do so worse if allowed to, the exact same BS for 3 generations now.

AFAIC Islam should stand down and do everything necessary to agree that Israel has a right to exist peacefully, and Israel should withdraw to the Green Line and agree to a 2 state solution.

There is no other solution that doesn’t result in perpetual tragedy. All both sides are doing is delaying the inevitable at horrible cost and making the problem worse.

zazo ,

Wait wait - you’re saying Israel didn’t start the six-day war because non-violent resistance (the Suez Crisis) on Egypt’s side was casus belli? That’s the type of colonial justification the person above was specifically calling out - but I guess you think launching preemptive airstrikes against a target that has so far used soft-power is Israel “defending itself”, ok buddy…

Timii ,

and on and on and on and on…

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